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[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by kuruption1983:
I am all there with you chris ( maldo ), when american presidents learn to take their heads out of others' a$$. I say it again, i am not on side of anyone, but if you think logically, when you kill people all around the world like somalia, middle east, and
+ many many other places around the world just to strenghten homeland security,,, well guess what buddy, your gonna get it back, 9/11 was one example which those others got their revenge and killed hundreds of innocent people who had nothing to do with it. And I dont think hitting Iraq would ease any of these problems except for the fact it will get more and more people against US.
And about a previous arguement about that flight 93, i have to say nothing makes sense of the words being said by the US Gov't about that incident.
And since i dont have time to read foot long messeges, i wont participate anymore,,, <hr></blockquote><p>The war America is at has NOTHING to do with money. NOTHING to do with politics, NOTHING to do with DADDYS war. Its all rootedback to religion. As many of you may not know, in WW2 Israel was set aside for the Jewish people to live, This was part of Palistine. If you know geography, you know that Israel is small, birthplace of Jesus, and the root of Christianity. Christianity is what this country is based upon. (i'll get to that in a sec) Israel is completley surrounded by Muslem nations, who dispise the Jews, no matter what they tell you.
America also supports Israel. We provide funding and technology to Israel. Muslem nations hate that. Should we sit and let Israel, birthplace of your religieon be taken over? No. So we support them. Who do you guys think the best fighter pilots are in the world? Not the US, Israel. They are constantly at war. There are many passages in the Bible that state something along the lines in many instances "He who protects Israel will be blessed". Not trying to be any type of "Stereotypical American" but we arent BLOOD thirsty. We are protectig our own. If we dont stop the terrorist, it will continue. If tyhey will steal an airplane and crash it into the WTC, theres not telling what they will do next. the US is not a country that will just sit around and let threats effect us, and let 9/11 happen again. You stop them, its stops, Period. We are NOT blood thirsty, we are protecting our lives and our children. Do you know what would happen if we let Bin Ladin and Hussein have their way and the US never got involved? Israel would be tken over and America would be attacked.
Those of you who live other than America say we ate "too patriotic" we are "always in everyones business". I tell you what. YOu get on a plane, Fly to ground Zero. and LOOK. Look what happens when we let it happen. Hussein signed a treaty to get rid of his weapons. Its been TEN YEARS and he still fails to comply. He forced out our weapons inspectors, and tries to hide weapons of mass destruction. There is a time and a place for everything. And the time is now. Do You live in a country where some guy can drop a tablespoon on the floor at a major sporting event of antrax or Smallpox, and kill 1/2 the people just because you live in a country thats supports Israel?. Would you want that fear? I get sick of people saying we should mind outr own business. America is just protecting itself and its children.

[992mmx3]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Custommx3:
[QB]<p>The war America is at has NOTHING to do with money. NOTHING to do with politics, NOTHING to do with DADDYS war. Its all rootedback to religion.<p>Bingo, but of course kuruption won't read that because he "doesn't have the time."<p>Also to Maldo compliments to The_Great_Tonge, what great comments? He only mentioned homeless people and our economy being hurt (at least those were his main points), I've worked on the streets with homeless people, most of them don't even want to work, as far as our economy being hurt, its gonna be down now, but we need to take care of this stuff now so we can rebuild later, and of course some other president will get the credit for it later.<p>Not to be rude to the_great_tonge_, just some of the comments he made weren't very ethical given the situation, he had a good point in that some U.N. lines are kinda messed up, and there will always be turmoil for this in certain places of the world.<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: 992mmx3 ]</p>

[EBUCKS]

There's no real reason for me to stick my head in this discussion, as I'm on Canadian soil and of West Indian (Caribbean) decent. However, knowing the dirty politics that went on in the 70's between US and Jamaica and Trinidad, I have to speak up.
In the '70s Jamaica's dollar and Trinidad's dollar were at par with the USD. Jamaica's main export was boxite and Trinidad had oil. The US went into both countries and now have control of both. The Jamaican dollar is now 1 USD to 35 JA and Trinidad dollar is 1 USD to 6 TT, up from 15 over the last 10 years. And both economies are garbage and try to rely on tourism and bananas!
Jamaica and Trinidad have a fairly small population, so there cannot be too much fight coming from them when this sort of rape happens. However when you mess with a larger country, then it's not going to be that easy.
I believe that you need 2 super powers, as the cold war presented. Therefore one nation cannot control the world as the US is apparently trying to do (from the view point of outsiders looking in). However, I am a bit concerned about the other super power being Bin Ladden or Housein due their radicalness.
In the western civilized world that we live, things like 9/11 are new to us. However, the media shows that this is a weekly occurence in the middle east. I fully expected more bombings since then. We are lucky that we haven't seen that yet.
As you can see I'm really on the fence. My advice to Bush and the US GOV'T would be to tread lightly for the time being as they must proceed. But let this be a lesson in arresting their dealings and harrassment of other countries in the future.
Oh . . . and on the religion front . . . US picks and chooses who they will help. Afghani and Pakistani women still have no rights and have garbage law. But there is no intervention, even after both countries were exposed after 9/11. <p>one<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: EBUCKS ]</p>

[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by EBUCKS:
There's no real reason for me to stick my head in this discussion, as I'm on Canadian soil and of West Indian (Caribbean) decent. However, knowing the dirty politics that went on in the 70's between US and Jamaica and Trinidad, I have to speak up.
In the '70s Jamaica's dollar and Trinidad's dollar were at par with the USD. Jamaica's main export was boxite and Trinidad had oil. The US went into both countries and now have control of both. The Jamaican dollar is now 1 USD to 35 JA and Trinidad dollar is 1 USD to 6 TT, up from 15 over the last 10 years. And both economies are garbage and try to rely on tourism and bananas!
Jamaica and Trinidad have a fairly small population, so there cannot be too much fight coming from them when this sort of rape happens. However when you mess with a larger country, then it's not going to be that easy.
I believe that you need 2 super powers, as the cold war presented. Therefore one nation cannot control the world as the US is apparently trying to do (from the view point of outsiders looking in). However, I am a bit concerned about the other super power being Bin Ladden or Housein due their radicalness.
In the western civilized world that we live, things like 9/11 are new to us. However, the media shows that this is a weekly occurence in the middle east. I fully expected more bombings since then. We are lucky that we haven't seen that yet.
As you can see I'm really on the fence. My advice to Bush and the US GOV'T would be to tread lightly for the time being as they must proceed. But let this be a lesson in arresting their dealings and harrassment of other countries in the future.
Oh . . . and on the religion front . . . US picks and chooses who they will help. Afghani and Pakistani women still have no rights and have garbage law. But there is no intervention, even after both countries were exposed after 9/11. <p>one<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: EBUCKS ]<hr></blockquote><p>Actually, women do roam the strees without their vails and help work like the men do.
America IS helping...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/808786.asp<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: Custommx3 ]</p>

[Custommx3]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/859191.asp?0cv=CA01#BODY<p>Those who oppose, your telling me we should let these people starve and die? KNWOING you had the resources to help. Replace yourself with them, would u want help?

[cjthor]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by IamCanadian:
One question : anyone know what russia's opinions are on all this, who's side are they on?
havent heard anything about them myself<hr></blockquote>
Russia is holding out for a little more proof that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Along with France.

[maldo]

Ryan, your inability to comprehend still amazes me. I don't even know how I can respond to that crap you spew without being completely negative. So I won't offer any comments in retaliation, only this "do onto other's as you would have done to yourself". Make any sense? <p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> I was at work today and as soon as they announced that Bin Laden made more terrorist threats the stock market took a huge plunge. Coincidence? Nope. <hr></blockquote><p>There is no denying that the stock market is very sensitive to world events. Threats of terror aren't the only things that cause large movements in the economy.<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Also to Maldo compliments to The_Great_Tonge, what great comments? He only
mentioned homeless people and our economy being hurt (at least those were his main points), <hr></blockquote><p>You fail to realize that he notices the short comings of your government and what they are doing. He did something that many of you are failing to do, take a step back. That is all.<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Oh . . . and on the religion front . . . US picks and chooses who they will help.
Afghani and Pakistani women still have no rights and have garbage law. But there is no intervention, even after both countries were exposed after 9/11. <hr></blockquote><p>Just because what goes on in one country is not just in ours does not mean that it is necessarily wrong. I don't see anyone stepping up to Thailand to put a stop to canning in the event that someone gets caught chewing gum? What about honour killings in India? Or American drug and chemical companies processing products that were too dangerous for use in America in Guatamala or Bohpal, India? Maybe you should research the Union Carbide plant tragedy in Bohpal to see that in the pursuit of profits, an American company killed 2500 Indians.<p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> Those who oppose, your telling me we should let these people starve and die?
KNWOING you had the resources to help. Replace yourself with them, would u want help? <hr></blockquote><p>You say that because I oppose the war, I am an advocate for the starvation of these people. Not at all. Again, look at yourself, your goverment is willing to spend billions to kill a group of men but nothing to save millions in Africa dying of aids and starvation. Your resources go to war, to better your economy, for retaliation, for justice but do not go to help those who truly deserve better. Since it isn't in front of you, it doesn't affect you.<p>I am opposed to a war, there is no need for more innocent lives to be taken, both from allied forces and from Iraqi civilians. I have no problem with a war once all other options are exhausted. Weapons inspectors should be given as much time as "they" feel needed, not what Bush wants to allow. We all want this to be resolved, just the manner in which we want it differs.

[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr> You say that because I oppose the war, I am an advocate for the starvation of these people. Not at all. Again, look at yourself, your goverment is willing to spend billions to kill a group of men but nothing to save millions in Africa dying of aids and starvation. Your resources go to war, to better your economy, for retaliation, for justice but do not go to help those who truly deserve better. Since it isn't in front of you, it doesn't affect you.
<hr></blockquote><p>well, we do help them actually. Just as we spend billions on Aids research every year.<p>Also, those "few men" threaten the US daily. Those few men caused billions in damage and took thousands of lives. Those "few men" could do it again. Why should we sit around and let them do it again?<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: Custommx3 ]</p>

[992mmx3]

Take a step back? And do what, give EVERY single American a job, THEN go to war? This is a problem now, we'll take care of it now, then, as I said before, rebuild later. If not going to war was a better option, I'd say take it, but Saddam is asking for it, my best friend is already over in Kuwait city. And the whole India company thing, I like to research on companies faults in others countries as well, it makes me sick how Americans can take advantage of poorer countries like that, like Nike in Vietnam, I've been to Nam and noone there can even afford to wear REAL nike products, some of the people there that work at the factories dream is to own a pair but are way to poor to afford it. But what does any of this have to do with the war in the middle east?? Do we have to go around and find all corrupt companies in the world run by bastard "Americans" before taking care of a known threat? Were not saying were a perfect country, and the people that live here are far from that, but there's a threat awaiting, were gonna take care of it.

[EBUCKS]

Chris, that's what I meant. Why does the US only intervene in certain countries and not others? I'm speaking of helping ALL countries out of termoil, NOT JUST THE ONES WHERE THEY CAN MAKE CAPITAL GAINS.<p>one

[azmtbkr81]

For examples of where we have helped people without regard for our own economic gain just look at Somalia. The reason we were there was to make sure that UN food shipments were actually reaching starving people instead of being intercepted by greedy warlords. Also look at the Balkans, we sent our troops over there to oust Milosivich (sp?) and prevent him from killing off the Muslim minority in that region. Neither of these countries have resources that we want, we had no strategic interest other than to prevent genocide. Haiti is another example, the list goes on and on. Of course it is financially impossible for us to help every country in need but we help when we can and when the UN decides to help out somewhere who provides 90% of the military muscle? Which country's troops die to save the innocent? These cases are always quickly overlooked and unappreciated by the world community. When our country has the opportunity to get rid of an oppressive regime and save our own citizens from weapons of mass destruction who can fault us for taking action?<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: azmtbkr81 ]</p>

[Custommx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by azmtbkr81:
For examples of where we have helped people without regard for our own economic gain just look at Somalia. The reason we were there was to make sure that UN food shipments were actually reaching starving people instead of being intercepted by greedy warlords. Also look at the Balkans, we sent our troops over there to oust Milosivich (sp?) and prevent him from killing off the Muslim minority in that region. Neither of these countries have resources that we want, we had no strategic interest other than to prevent genocide. Haiti is another example, the list goes on and on. Of course it is financially impossible for us to help every country in need but we help when we can and when the UN decides to help out somewhere who provides 90% of the military muscle? Which country's troops die to save the innocent? These cases are always quickly overlooked and unappreciated by the world community. When our country has the opportunity to get rid of an oppressive regime and save our own citizens from weapons of mass destruction who can fault us for taking action?<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: azmtbkr81 ]<hr></blockquote><p>Excellent, Thank you.

[maldo]

Glad to see alternative opinions mean jack in this group. If the thought is not Pro-American or for war, it means little to you guys. The way I look at it is, an eye for an eye does not make things better. You still have another eye that can be taken. It is going to be a repetitive circle, you attack them, they attack, and again and again. Seems like you guys can't even have a serious debate over important issues, unless its your way, its the wrong way.<p>I'll keep my thoughts to my self in the future.

[Guest]

Hey American eyes can't see through American lies" <p>The US only helps countries that are either in their best interest or dont effect their best interest. US supports the Chinese who are killing off Tibet, and supports a dictatorship in Mexico, All to reap the benifits of Globalization. All the while screwing US citizens out of jobs and security, and destroying the endiginous economies of South America and Asia.<p>[ February 12, 2003: Message edited by: sureshiit ]</p>

[992mmx3]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by maldo:
Glad to see alternative opinions mean jack in this group. If the thought is not Pro-American or for war, it means little to you guys. The way I look at it is, an eye for an eye does not make things better. You still have another eye that can be taken. It is going to be a repetitive circle, you attack them, they attack, and again and again. Seems like you guys can't even have a serious debate over important issues, unless its your way, its the wrong way.<p>I'll keep my thoughts to my self in the future. <hr></blockquote><p>pfffff, thats stoopid, we were debating, we made good points, you made some, we all feel the same way, we would choose another way if there was one, but there really isn't one, are you feeling this way cause you feel you lost the debate? Cause every point you seemed to bring up was pretty much proven wrong, but whatever.