Ontario governenment is screwing drivers once again

[Nd4SpdSe]

I don't like how they act, but I don't believe they're as big of a problem as most believe. I'm fine with everything but the passenger and 3 strike limit. Is it really fair that you get your license suspended for 30 days if you get stopped doing 120 on the freeway like everybody else? The government is giving cops too much power, while some cops will still be fair, others will abuse it. That's what I don't like most of all.

I find the passenger limit a little much, but I can't blame them either, I do know and see what they mean, so I'm stuck on 50% of that one.

3-strikes. Honestly, do you think anyone NEEDS more than 3 strikes. I'm my what, 9 years of driving, I've only used 1. Driving isn't a right, it's a privilidge. Learn to drive, follow the rules, take driving seriously, and you shouldn't have a problem.

120 is speeding for us too, so don't you worry. I had my license suspended for an unpaid ticket cause the lady on the phone essentually lied or fed me the wrong info. Regardless, I drove illegally for a week, yes, I'll admit that, but I had to, but I drove the inconspicuous 626 and i flowed with traffic, despite it doing 120, i didn't want to stand out. Now, you being a kid, he may look over and maybe harass you, and it's tough, I know first had that it's actually scarry on the highway stuck doing 105, cause i had a problem with the 626 tranny slipping at 110. But with gas prices being/were high, i'm guilty of doing 90 on the highway in my Xterra, since it's much better on gas plus i get paid for the time on the road, but i have noticed traffic has slowed down alot since those days, which is only about 3-4 years ago

Hey, those street racing laws can be just as stupid and jsut as strict, you just have to be aware and play it safe.

Oh ya, I was wild and wreckless, and I've got some records I dont think I'll ever be able to break anymore, but live and learn.

[JayJ]

I find it interesting and believe that the Government is going the wrong way about alot of this.


I have wondered why the government doesn't invest more time in the drivers training school. I don't understand how the government can punish us for something we're not trained to do. What I mean by this is that if you look at Europe with the seedless road and yet have a very low collision rate.

If we were taught when we were trying to get our licenses how to do defensive and offensive training, skidding, learning to drive during all conditions and times. With this kind of training I'm sure that the collision rate would be alot lower.

People are crazy drivers... but I would suppose if we know a bit more how to drive it would make the roads a little safer.
(Maybe we should all go through Canada's worst driver course to see what we can do )


the government is right, going by the whole 'you are our future' thing, Teens are the future of driving, and maybe by disciplining them we might learn to drive better. As stated prior, I think that the gov. is taking the wrong look on things...

P.S. Hopefully I haven't offended ne one!

[Nd4SpdSe]

I find it interesting and believe that the Government is going the wrong way about alot of this.

I have wondered why the government doesn't invest more time in the drivers training school. I don't understand how the government can punish us for something we're not trained to do. What I mean by this is that if you look at Europe with the seedless road and yet have a very low collision rate.

If we were taught when we were trying to get our licenses how to do defensive and offensive training, skidding, learning to drive during all conditions and times. With this kind of training I'm sure that the collision rate would be alot lower.

People are crazy drivers... but I would suppose if we know a bit more how to drive it would make the roads a little safer.
(Maybe we should all go through Canada's worst driver course to see what we can do )

Well, as I've said before, driving it a privilidge, not a right. The Gov't isn't forcing you to drive, so why force you to take classes at the gov't expense. It think the graduated system works, or would work, but they're too concerned with stats, failing people because they're expected a certain percentage too (that' what i've heard from friend back in the day), and passing people that obviously shouldn't (ie: Canada's Worst Drivers).

What's really stopping anyone from taking advanced classes? You can take driving school, there's a skid school in Oakville. There's plenty of racing schools too. Autocross is a grass-roots sport, based on learning car control since it's actually not considered racing. Statistically, those who've had experienced playing in the snow, like parking lot, are much better winter drivers.

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It comes down to those that take it seriously, but it seems most bad drivers don't know they are or just don't care.

[Mad Cow]

I find it interesting and believe that the Government is going the wrong way about alot of this.

I have wondered why the government doesn't invest more time in the drivers training school. I don't understand how the government can punish us for something we're not trained to do. What I mean by this is that if you look at Europe with the seedless road and yet have a very low collision rate.

If we were taught when we were trying to get our licenses how to do defensive and offensive training, skidding, learning to drive during all conditions and times. With this kind of training I'm sure that the collision rate would be alot lower.

People are crazy drivers... but I would suppose if we know a bit more how to drive it would make the roads a little safer.
(Maybe we should all go through Canada's worst driver course to see what we can do )

Well, as I've said before, driving it a privilidge, not a right. The Gov't isn't forcing you to drive, so why force you to take classes at the gov't expense. It think the graduated system works, or would work, but they're too concerned with stats, failing people because they're expected a certain percentage too (that' what i've heard from friend back in the day), and passing people that obviously shouldn't (ie: Canada's Worst Drivers).

What's really stopping anyone from taking advanced classes? You can take driving school, there's a skid school in Oakville. There's plenty of racing schools too. Autocross is a grass-roots sport, based on learning car control since it's actually not considered racing. Statistically, those who've had experienced playing in the snow, like parking lot, are much better winter drivers.

http://www.j-body.com/community/showthread.php?t=24426" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It comes down to those that take it seriously, but it seems most bad drivers don't know they are or just don't care.

If they had invested some money into making it mandatory to pass a driving course it would weed out many of the horrible drivers we see on the roads today. Instead they devise some of the most unfair driving laws I've ever heard of.

And your argument doesn't make much sense, since driving is not a right, nobody is forcing you to take a test and drive. If you want to drive, you should have to take a test on a course, if you don't want to take the test then you should be deemed unfit for driving and not receive your license, simple as that.

[JayJ]

I was trying to imply that taking such driving lessons should be mandatory, kind of like when you get your car (e-test, safety...). Where you would go to one, get a certificate for skidding school, a certificate for this and that so on.... Or have a course where we could learn everything.

I don't know... my thoughts on things :S

[tmac4t4]

I was trying to imply that taking such driving lessons should be mandatory, kind of like when you get your car (e-test, safety...). Where you would go to one, get a certificate for skidding school, a certificate for this and that so on.... Or have a course where we could learn everything.

I don't know... my thoughts on things :S

agreed...i took drivers ed..it was a friggin joke..i had my beginners and was driving to the class and parking across the street...i spent more time correcting the teacher than i did actually learning anything..i was only taking the course to cheepen my insurance..but i felt bad for all the kids in the class who were actually relying on this old foreign b---- who barely spoke english...i think they need to take people and have them push the limits of their cars, only then will you know what to do when the time comes that u need to perform that evassive manouvre.....im writing this with a very biased opinion tworards foreign drivers at the moment...after having one in a mx6 BACK INTO ME TODAY!!!
thats twice ive been hit in the last 3 months....not one incident being my fault...yet im paying more for insurance than both people who hit me..one was very old..the other obviously fresh off the boat...

[Mad Cow]

I was trying to imply that taking such driving lessons should be mandatory, kind of like when you get your car (e-test, safety...). Where you would go to one, get a certificate for skidding school, a certificate for this and that so on.... Or have a course where we could learn everything.

I don't know... my thoughts on things :S

agreed...i took drivers ed..it was a friggin joke..i had my beginners and was driving to the class and parking across the street...i spent more time correcting the teacher than i did actually learning anything..i was only taking the course to cheepen my insurance..but i felt bad for all the kids in the class who were actually relying on this old foreign b---- who barely spoke english...i think they need to take people and have them push the limits of their cars, only then will you know what to do when the time comes that u need to perform that evassive manouvre.....im writing this with a very biased opinion tworards foreign drivers at the moment...after having one in a mx6 BACK INTO ME TODAY!!!
thats twice ive been hit in the last 3 months....not one incident being my fault...yet im paying more for insurance than both people who hit me..one was very old..the other obviously fresh off the boat...

Yea driver's ed is a joke. I took it and all I did during the classroom parts was talk with my friends, we marked our own written tests so I got perfect on everything. It was useless but really fun.

I like how finland does it, they make it mandatory to pass a course on a skidpad and a sort of autocross-like course before you can get your license.

[Nd4SpdSe]

I haven't had much time to be on the forums, so I can't really read and reply, but if you've watched this past episode of Canada's Worst Drive, they'll give you exact stats on teenagers with passengers.