what is the most hp you can get to the ground with a mx-

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Custommx3:<BR><STRONG>HLA noise is NOT from contaminets. My best friends GS has HLA noise from hell, and he babies that car like it was his child. Oil is chnaged, he doesnt use cheap gas, and doesnt dog the hell out of his car. He has BAD lifter noise... because they are worn out. Thats why we are starting on his KLZE tonight.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Well Barry, how about you explain how they wear out...ok? Clearly when i took mine off the car, cleaned them, and put them back in, i missed the entire "worn out" part. So please, do explain your logic of how HLAs get "abused" more with higher power.

[Custommx3]

Its kinda funny how you dont even own an MX-3 and you seem to want to challenge everything I say. Well, Why dont you re-read what I said in the previous post that you quoted. I asked how many were worn out on their standard k8 motor. My hole point to EVERYTHING I've said has to do with longevity of the motor. I never said you couldnt use a supercharger. I said runnign a supercharger witll (in LAMENS TERMS) blow up your motor. I didnt say it would instantly do any damage anywhere in my posts. I think you should read what I type, not try to find a way to argue. <P>What Causes lifter tick?<P>The lifters tick because they are not completly filled with oil and the rocker arm looses contact with the lifter for a fraction of a second then ticks when contact is re-established. The lack of oil has 3 possible causes:<BR>1. lifter is damaged and needs to be replaced <BR>2. Lifter is dirty and not enough oil can enter resticted passages<BR>3. Low oil pressure.<P>Pauls... is NOT dirty, hes had the motor checked out already. They have to be replaced, argue with Mazda.<p>[ July 25, 2002: Message edited by: Custommx3 ]

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Custommx3:<BR><B>Its kinda funny how you dont even own an MX-3 and you seem to want to challenge everything I say.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B><P>Whether or not I own a MX-3 has NOTHING to do with what I do or do not understand about how an engine works, and the k series in particular...how many times have you torn the head off a K8? Pulled the cams? looked at the pistons? Ive seen more k8 internals that i have my own car.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B> Well, Why dont you re-read what I said in the previous post that you quoted. I asked how many were worn out on their standard k8 motor. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I did this, you were babbling about how 6psi on a ZE was too much for a daily driver (which has now been proven about 1000 times to be wrong, although you dont seem to admit it), and your next sentence was about HLAs and how daily driving will cause them to wear out.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B><BR>My hole point to EVERYTHING I've said has to do with longevity of the motor. I never said you couldnt use a supercharger. I said runnign a supercharger witll (in LAMENS TERMS) blow up your motor. I didnt say it would instantly do any damage anywhere in my posts. I think you should read what I type, not try to find a way to argue. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmm, blowing up the motor and doing instant damage sound like the same to me...guess im wrong.<P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>What Causes lifter tick?<P>The lifters tick because they are not completly filled with oil and the rocker arm looses contact with the lifter for a fraction of a second then ticks when contact is re-established. The lack of oil has 3 possible causes:<BR>1. lifter is damaged and needs to be replaced <BR>2. Lifter is dirty and not enough oil can enter resticted passages<BR>3. Low oil pressure.<P>Pauls... is NOT dirty, hes had the motor checked out already. They have to be replaced, argue with Mazda.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>First of all, the BP and K8 HLAs are identical. Same pieces. How do I know? Because we had both David's and my cylinder head's apart and COMPARED. Nextly, as to what YOU, yourself wrote, there is either a low oil-pressure issue, an oil contamination issue, or the HLA is physically DAMAGED. How do you figure that the engine just decided to kill one or a couple of HLAs one day? Did they show them to you to prove that they were damaged or worn pre-maturely? Did they even TRY to clean them?<P>You were the one who brought up the HLAs, and i'm just telling you, that from my OWN EXPIRIENCE, how these things happen. Ive had Mazda technicians tell me i had to trailer the car if i got more than a degree of negitive camber out of my car. Ive seen people get lied to day in and day out. I'll sit there and argue with Mazda, because honestly, a lot of them know JACK SQUAT. If you want to listen to the BS story they gave your friend Paul, more power to you. Im telling you what I KNOW, because I did it.<P>Good day.<p>[ July 25, 2002: Message edited by: ProtegeSTS ]

[David Coleman]

This thread has done a great job of cleaning up alot of misconceptions. Might move excerps of it to the FAQ later...

[Custommx3]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> Hmm, blowing up the motor and doing instant damage sound like the same to me...guess im wrong.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well lets say.. If I were driving.. lets say 80MPh and I throw a rod.. thats instant damage, but not as soon as I hit the gas. On a second note, If I floor the gas @ a stop light, and I bust a vavle seal, thats not instant either. I never said the second u apply 6psi to the ZE it will "blow up" ( and when I use that term im not referring to some Bruce willis Diehard bulls---). I said you will, maybe not 1 mile down the road, but maybe 20,000 miles.<P>I tell u what, during this swap, if I can get a good enough picture of it, I'll show you a pic of a warn HLA. and they can be worn, its metal to metal contact. All you have to be is maybe low on oil pressure or oil, its not lubricated, and BAM! metal to metal damage.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Whether or not I own a MX-3 has NOTHING to do with what I do or do not understand about how an engine works, and the k series in particular...how many times have you torn the head off a K8? Pulled the cams? looked at the pistons? Ive seen more k8 internals that i have my own car. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Lets see, helping Daniel on lots of occasions doing swaps, and working on my own K8, Ive torn a motor apart plenty of times. Just because your HLA's were dirty, doesnt mean 90% of the K8's are not bad HLAs. Im not saying they are, but I know his K8 has bad hla's and I know my k8 has atleast 1.

[Sean Mandell]

I just want to say Thanx to everyone that participated in this post as to agree with David should be part of our faQ forum.<P>Barry-----Obviously putting more stress on our motors will result in a shorter life span. Lets just say that we all agree with that. I was only talking about 5-6psi not 20+. 100,000km should be attainable with a low boosted motor. [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]

[VizualXTC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by curtklze:<BR><STRONG><P><BR>Dose anyone actually read all of the post befor replying.<P>I said that I DONT KNOW HOW STRONG THE KL COMPONENTS ARE!!<P>I said that the KL-ZE should do over 300 H.P. and the dyno graph showed that. It was doing almost 400.<P>I never said that the rods would bend or snap at 325H.P. or any thing else, I was just saying that eventually no matter how much fuel and timing tuning you do you will blow up the motor unless you put better pistons , rods, and crank in it.<P>tune your motor to run 800H.P. on stock heads, intake , cams, pistons, rods, and crank and make 30 runs on the dyno and I will give you $1,000.00.<P>Dont try to cut me down and say I'm wrong. If you read my post and understood what I was saying would would see that I was right.<P>Know I want everyone to re-read my first post so you guys will under stand what you are talking about.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The crank is prolly the least possible part to fail in the internal setup of a KL engine. The KLZE crank (so I've been told) can and has held over 500BHP. If you shot pien it, it can handle more. <P>I agree with Barry to a point. 6psi shouldn't be a problem on the KLZE, if well tuned and maintained. Although, like he said, nobody puts a SC or turbo on their car to go get groceries faster. They'll be out on the track/road trying to beat that car that's next to them. Unless they are VERY proficient in the ways of how engines and FI works, (which the original poster has admited he's not, who in fact we are talkin about) your car will NOT last very long. For example, you would have to know when to shift to prevent rev damage, you would need various gauges to tell you when vitals are misbehaving, you'd need to change oil regularly and keep fuel systems clean. Most people who tune their cars don't do this. They may have the gauges, and tach, etc. but have no idea how to read them, or incorporate the information they get from it into realizing something is wrong. That is why we see so many blown turbo/SC engines. Like ANY tuner will tell you, if you don't know what your doing, don't do it. Read the books by corky bell and then figure out if you want to still do it. PEACE

[David Coleman]

I've already put some of the large factual posts in the V6 FAQ. Also read the FAQ about quench area, as that helps explain why our heads will like high effective compression ratios.