pics of custom shafts for lsd

ruthless_mx3 · Post by **ruthless_mx3** » June 26th, 2006, 4:06 pm

here they are finally
the shafts from DriveShaftShop

Drivers side:

Check out the spirals on the shaft for oil flow through the lsd:

Thats the intermediate shaft attatched the the pass side:

Now to put them in

Juans_93_MX3 · Post by **Juans_93_MX3** » June 26th, 2006, 4:45 pm

How much did it cost to buy/make custom shafts?

Are they built for high Torque?

jschrauwen · Post by **jschrauwen** » June 26th, 2006, 5:54 pm

Outstanding work ruthless. What was the spline count, length of splines and diameter of the splined part on the drivers side? I'd like to compare those numbers to the cut shaft I have, if that's possible??? Did the Driveshaftshop record all of the specifications required to make repeated pairs of this shaft? And, will they or are they receptive to recurring orders for these? I know the first one is always the most difficult to get sorted out. And should I even ask what they cost you or should I say, what would be the going cost of these for new orders from this point forward? Once again, thank you for being a leader in this venture for our car!!!

John

ruthless_mx3 · Post by **ruthless_mx3** » June 26th, 2006, 7:27 pm

well the cost: I bought the regular level 2 shafts 300hp $750 shipped, didn't fit. Noone would even begin to think about making custom ones without the ends that the lsd came with. Since they were cut I didn't think I would need them and besides the car drove fine with the stock shafts....ha....for about a day. So if I wanted the lsd I needed a cut shaft. Locating another tranny that had them still in 'em was almost impossible but finally I found one. Wouldn't sell me just the shaft so I had to buy the whole darn thing $500 shipped. Sent the level 2 shafts and the cut shaft back to DriveShaftShop. They had the parts for about 2-3 months trying to decide what to do. Finally a new set was designed and made. Cost for redesign $300. So depending on how you look at it....$1550..or..$1050.
Now the cost for another set I don't know. Frank at DSS said he really didn't want to do another pair due to its difficulty

but if he did he would want a bulk buy or $1200-1500 that was a while back b4 they were even done so he may have changed his mind.

As far as torqe specs I don't know. Supposedly they are level 5 axles now but I was under the understanding that he only made new inner ends. Also notice the outer ends are just like the level 2 shafts (blue boots) and the outers now have black boots. Their other level 5 shafts have 800hp handling.

I just saw them for the first time today and am waiting till everything is put back together and stays together for awile b4 I call Frank for the specs. I stressed the importance of keeping the exact measurements but I have no guarantee that he kept them like he said he would. I will at least get spline count and length by just measuring and counting.

Note

: There may be more than 1 lsd tranny for our car cuz the shafts from the second tranny didn't fit into the first lsd I had. You must have the cut shaft from your tranny in order for DSS to make a custom one for you, those are words from Frank himself.

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » June 27th, 2006, 10:28 am

Dang, well if you have to have a cut chaft from a LSD it doesn't help much to have any info. That is the same problem I ran into. I have a LSD and had a cut chaft so I was able to get one made to fit by combining the cut shaft with the stock MX-3 shaft. The dude was supposed to keep the measurements for me so that they could be reproduced, but didn't. Funny how he was so nice and promised to keep the numbers and then when another member asked about it he said he didn't keep them....
Anyway, those look great.
We really need someone to get some axles for us for a LSD tranny from Japan. That is the only way to keep having axles for the LSD trans that we find.

ruthless_mx3 · Post by **ruthless_mx3** » June 27th, 2006, 7:10 pm

I actually have a friend that just got stationed in Japan for 6 months. I told him to check out a junkyard or something to see if he can find whole shafts off of the 323 or whatever other car they might work from.
Specs would only be useful 1. if someone would even be willing to make w/ just specs 2. if you are willing to pay to have a set made and hope they fit.
Where the circlip is on the custom shaft is how long the stock mx3 shaft was. That is why it still held for a little until the splines stripped off.
Should have everything put together tonight or tomorrow if all goes well. So far so good.

Cy · Post by Cy » June 27th, 2006, 11:45 pm

Question... Half-shaft = torque steer... y not a single piece.

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » June 28th, 2006, 12:04 am

What are you talking about Cy? The stub shaft makes the axles more or less equal legnth which negates the torque steer (well helps lessen it anyway).

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » June 28th, 2006, 1:34 am

Ruthless.

Before you put it all together can you take the measurements
A,B,C ( excuse my crap photoshop effort ) as this will answer
a few questions about Jspec axles vs US market.

By the way which LSD do you have the Mazspeed one or the
option one from a Jspec?

Cheers Matt.

CLPCLD · Post by **CLPCLD** » June 28th, 2006, 1:43 pm

Those look really nice, but why are they neccessary? I know thats not the point of this thread, I am curious after looking at the pics though. Thats the way the nissan ones look when they have lsds too. I have a friend with a custom built mazdaspeed diff with a 4.6x final drive (like 4.66 i think) from czt and im pretty sure he has never had any different axles and i still used stock intermediate shaft and driver's side axle in my OPM (which is a modified stock diff with clutch packs). If there is a good reason then this could benefit me as well since mtx probes use the same axles. Great post so far though...

noreaga0221 · Post by **noreaga0221** » June 28th, 2006, 8:01 pm

Cy wrote:Question... Half-shaft = torque steer... y not a single piece.

Nope, its the opposite actually.

Cy · Post by Cy » June 28th, 2006, 10:54 pm

I spose that makes sense... a single long shaft would have more shaft to twist over a 2-piece with shorter shafts and multiple large connections..

Juans_93_MX3 · Post by **Juans_93_MX3** » June 29th, 2006, 2:17 am

So let me get this straight
The only way we can get LSD axels for our cars is to ether have them made customly for alot of $$$$ or somehow be lucky to find some that are still in good shape?
That sucks, why not just forget about having a LSD tranny?
Better yet, cant there be a way to mount, say, a Honda transmission on a KLZE or something?

CLPCLD · Post by **CLPCLD** » June 29th, 2006, 4:43 am

Juans_93_MX3 wrote:So let me get this straight
The only way we can get LSD axels for our cars is to ether have them made customly for alot of $$$$ or somehow be lucky to find some that are still in good shape?
That sucks, why not just forget about having a LSD tranny?
Better yet, cant there be a way to mount, say, a Honda transmission on a KLZE or something?

Adapter plates, input shaft adaptors, and still needing custom axles would be far more expensive for such a backwords idea. In terms of forgeting about an LSD tranny; if you had ever driven or been a passenger in an mx-3 or probe with one you would understand (especially a boosted one). I'll give you an example; two Probe GTs, with identical mods (except for the lsd). One driven by me about 2 months after completing my atx-mtx swap (so having driven a total of about 1500 miles with a stick) and launching for the first time with a manual ever, versus the other car driven by a friend who is experienced driving a manual and considered to be the best driver among a group of about 10-15 similarly experienced vehicle. We both go and I win by about 3-4 cars through first gear. Thats the best way I could think to explain it....

kiwi_MX3 · Post by **kiwi_MX3** » June 29th, 2006, 5:57 am

Juans_93_MX3 wrote:So let me get this straight
The only way we can get LSD axels for our cars is to ether have them made customly for alot of $$$$ or somehow be lucky to find some that are still in good shape?
That sucks, why not just forget about having a LSD tranny?
Better yet, cant there be a way to mount, say, a Honda transmission on a KLZE or something?

First off, only a few peaple have had problems with lsd's.

Mine just plugged and played. ( excuse the microsoft b.s.)

If ruthless would like to post the measurement's of said stub
i can then check against a Jspec set.