There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

V6 Technical/Performance Discussions
User avatar
wagZE
Regular Member
Posts: 887
Joined: February 18th, 2005, 6:31 pm
Location: SEATTLE

There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wagZE »

Only got like 4k miles out of the ze engine til this sh1t happened. I mean how the heeeeeeeeeeeell??
Runs... but runs like a$$ sounds like there is something in the cylinder bouncing around. Didn't drive far hopefully no damage; kept it under 2.5k rpm. Anyways was just driving one evening when this happened ccar died & wouldn't start (dead battery) probably unrelated. Then it wouldn't start til the starter relay was replaced... (unrelated most likely) Then It starts & wtf it sounds like sh1t all of a sudden (it dies at stop lights now won't stay idling for very long). Took off the front valve cover to find a hole in the corner below the camshafts (the hole is in the front pass. side corner)... Appears to be metal shavings in oil.
How ****ed is the mx6??? I have a DE layin around with good heads...

Image
1 mx6 88 LX auto 2.2l 4cyl
2 mx6 93 LS saved from junkyard SOLD
3 Mx6 96 M edition blow a ze part it
4 Mx6 96 gold LS paint n lights auto SOLD
5 mx6 red fresh paint clean, sold
1 mx3 92rs sohc auto rota c8s h&r
2 mx3 93 gsze bought w/ mods
3 mx3 93 GSze mtx swp act stg3 str8 nek im eibach kl36
4 mx3 GS SOLD-
6 mx3 white gs jdm swap'd SOLD
*5th mx3 blk GS clean title modded DD*
1 PGT 97 blk, garaged clean sold
2 pgt primered 5 spd KL SOLD
Juans_93_MX3
Senior Member
Posts: 2220
Joined: October 17th, 2004, 2:01 am
Location: SLC, Utah

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by Juans_93_MX3 »

OUCH
I have no idea. I wouldnt even have driven. Thats coolant getting mixed with oil. Huge no no

Coolant and oil when mixed spell disaster for a engine. I guess those two mixed make a "sand-like" substance. Cant be good for the oil pump system, rings or anything else that needs lubrication
2008 Mazda 3
1993 MX3 GS
KLZE, Fidanza flywheel, KL31 CAMs, South Bend Stage I Clutch, Pacesetter STS, SS AutoChromes, Magnaflow muffler, 2.25' Exhaust, CAI, Blaster Coil HEI, KLDE Valvetrain, 5 Speed Swap
User avatar
wagZE
Regular Member
Posts: 887
Joined: February 18th, 2005, 6:31 pm
Location: SEATTLE

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wagZE »

Well that would probly be why it almost overheated... And why the oil filter was leaking. It sounds like there is a piece of metal bouncing around in the engine when I drove it 15 miles home. I shall pray the block is ok still.
1 mx6 88 LX auto 2.2l 4cyl
2 mx6 93 LS saved from junkyard SOLD
3 Mx6 96 M edition blow a ze part it
4 Mx6 96 gold LS paint n lights auto SOLD
5 mx6 red fresh paint clean, sold
1 mx3 92rs sohc auto rota c8s h&r
2 mx3 93 gsze bought w/ mods
3 mx3 93 GSze mtx swp act stg3 str8 nek im eibach kl36
4 mx3 GS SOLD-
6 mx3 white gs jdm swap'd SOLD
*5th mx3 blk GS clean title modded DD*
1 PGT 97 blk, garaged clean sold
2 pgt primered 5 spd KL SOLD
User avatar
Inodoro Pereyra
Senior Member
Posts: 2067
Joined: March 11th, 2009, 3:44 pm
Location: Back in Buenos Aires, Argentina

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by Inodoro Pereyra »

Well, the good part is the heads are aluminum, so I don't think you'll see a lot of damage on the cylinder walls (I'll keep my fingers crossed for you... :wink: ). Maybe you'll get off with a good honing. But new pistons and bearings would be a fairly safe bet...
U28sIG5vdyB5b3UgYWxzbyBrbm93IGJhc2UgNjQuLi5odWg/DQpTSE9XIE9GRiEhIQ==

"The more I know man, the more I love my dog."

Diogenes of Sinope.
User avatar
wagZE
Regular Member
Posts: 887
Joined: February 18th, 2005, 6:31 pm
Location: SEATTLE

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wagZE »

Any ideas how/why??
1 mx6 88 LX auto 2.2l 4cyl
2 mx6 93 LS saved from junkyard SOLD
3 Mx6 96 M edition blow a ze part it
4 Mx6 96 gold LS paint n lights auto SOLD
5 mx6 red fresh paint clean, sold
1 mx3 92rs sohc auto rota c8s h&r
2 mx3 93 gsze bought w/ mods
3 mx3 93 GSze mtx swp act stg3 str8 nek im eibach kl36
4 mx3 GS SOLD-
6 mx3 white gs jdm swap'd SOLD
*5th mx3 blk GS clean title modded DD*
1 PGT 97 blk, garaged clean sold
2 pgt primered 5 spd KL SOLD
wytbishop
Senior Member
Posts: 5554
Joined: August 25th, 2004, 2:01 am
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wytbishop »

You need to get that head off there and inspect exactly where that hole goes. When you drain your oil you'll know right away if you have been mixing coolant and oil.

I doubt anything got into the cylinder. For that hole to lead into the combustion chamber there would have to be a hole in one of the intake or exhaust runners and then whatever fell in would have to get past the valve...possible, but I think it's more likely that the loud noise you hear is a result of the overheating you described and the subsequent pre-ignition/detonation. When my thermostat stuck closed and my rad burst I figured I could nurse it to the next exit. After a minute of running like that it started to sound like a John Deere tractor giving birth. The loudest knocking you've ever heard, but it was just the heat.

I think it's quite likely that that hole is an oil passage.
94' RS/GS/MS/CF Monster Turbo...coming soon.
93' GS SE, the Black Beast, the former love of my life...soon to be gutted and crushed.
94' GS, black on black, now in several small pieces...and one large crushed piece.
2007 Mazda3 GT Sport --- super fun
2004 Honda RC51 --- Lost forever to some theavin' bastard
My Worklog
My feedback thread
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
User avatar
93vtecklr
Regular Member
Posts: 924
Joined: March 23rd, 2009, 12:10 am
Location: Red Deer, Alberta

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by 93vtecklr »

wytbishop wrote:I think it's quite likely that that hole is an oil passage.
That's my guess, a hole like that wouldn't just appear, it looks cast.
Image
1993 Blaze Red SE, 17" blackie's, b+m sts, 45 deg 3" exh pipe/intake tube, K8ZE, aftmkt probe headers, magnaflow hi-cat, all 2.5" piping, magnaflow muffler.
1976 Datsun 620 p/u, full airride, Firestone 2600`s, 16ga fuel cell, Optima yellow top, AZ compressor, custom tubular frame with 9in step notch, 18" 100 spokes
1955 Willys Overland 4x4 P/U, '78 LT1 350 cu.in, fully restored.
User avatar
Daninski
Supporting Member
Posts: 7055
Joined: June 18th, 2007, 10:51 am
Location: Trenton ON.

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by Daninski »

Could it be an oil return passage?
2004 Subaru WRX Silver, stage 2, minty interior.
2002 Subaru WRX Blue, SOLD (best E test numbers I've ever seen)
94 MX-6. Sold
92 GS KLZE 5 Speed
96 GS 5 speed, KLZE, Sold
95 GS Minty Shape Sold
92 GS Sold
92 GS Parts Car scrapped.
Feedback viewtopic.php?f=37&t=66348" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
7477th member.

I know you believe that you understand what you think I said but I'm sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.
User avatar
wagZE
Regular Member
Posts: 887
Joined: February 18th, 2005, 6:31 pm
Location: SEATTLE

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wagZE »

Yea it was loud, think I should pull the heads now?
Edit:
Drained the oil.. Its full of metal shavings, but not a hint of coolant. 4 qts came out.
Am going to plug in code reader tomorrow & maybe pull the heads :(
Thx for the replies guys.
And the metal around the hole was flanged, there was little metal pieces around it like it just happened.
1 mx6 88 LX auto 2.2l 4cyl
2 mx6 93 LS saved from junkyard SOLD
3 Mx6 96 M edition blow a ze part it
4 Mx6 96 gold LS paint n lights auto SOLD
5 mx6 red fresh paint clean, sold
1 mx3 92rs sohc auto rota c8s h&r
2 mx3 93 gsze bought w/ mods
3 mx3 93 GSze mtx swp act stg3 str8 nek im eibach kl36
4 mx3 GS SOLD-
6 mx3 white gs jdm swap'd SOLD
*5th mx3 blk GS clean title modded DD*
1 PGT 97 blk, garaged clean sold
2 pgt primered 5 spd KL SOLD
RX8SE3P
Regular Member
Posts: 912
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 8:11 am

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by RX8SE3P »

That's weird. I thought it would be an oil passage too. No idea how the hell a hole can be made in the head like that. Looks like a clean head too. Got any pics of the metal shavings?

I'm with wytbishop too, an overheating car can definitely sound like a john deere giving birth.
1995 Eunos 30x KLZE
Worklog
wytbishop
Senior Member
Posts: 5554
Joined: August 25th, 2004, 2:01 am
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wytbishop »

Can you post a few more pictures of the hole so I can see the context. What end? Front or back? How close it is to the valve guide and stuff.

When you say metal shavings what do you mean? Are we talking large flakes of material or the fine shiney silver sheen in the oil?
94' RS/GS/MS/CF Monster Turbo...coming soon.
93' GS SE, the Black Beast, the former love of my life...soon to be gutted and crushed.
94' GS, black on black, now in several small pieces...and one large crushed piece.
2007 Mazda3 GT Sport --- super fun
2004 Honda RC51 --- Lost forever to some theavin' bastard
My Worklog
My feedback thread
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
User avatar
wagZE
Regular Member
Posts: 887
Joined: February 18th, 2005, 6:31 pm
Location: SEATTLE

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wagZE »

Fine little metal shavings that I can see, makes the oil sparkle in lite. The hole is on the front head pass side. The thing is it sounded like sh1t not even warmed up. Super loud. The oil filter had been leaking when runnin too, not double gasketed its tite too
1 mx6 88 LX auto 2.2l 4cyl
2 mx6 93 LS saved from junkyard SOLD
3 Mx6 96 M edition blow a ze part it
4 Mx6 96 gold LS paint n lights auto SOLD
5 mx6 red fresh paint clean, sold
1 mx3 92rs sohc auto rota c8s h&r
2 mx3 93 gsze bought w/ mods
3 mx3 93 GSze mtx swp act stg3 str8 nek im eibach kl36
4 mx3 GS SOLD-
6 mx3 white gs jdm swap'd SOLD
*5th mx3 blk GS clean title modded DD*
1 PGT 97 blk, garaged clean sold
2 pgt primered 5 spd KL SOLD
User avatar
wagZE
Regular Member
Posts: 887
Joined: February 18th, 2005, 6:31 pm
Location: SEATTLE

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wagZE »

So yes that hole is there in my other mx so that brings my question think my oil pump went out??
1 mx6 88 LX auto 2.2l 4cyl
2 mx6 93 LS saved from junkyard SOLD
3 Mx6 96 M edition blow a ze part it
4 Mx6 96 gold LS paint n lights auto SOLD
5 mx6 red fresh paint clean, sold
1 mx3 92rs sohc auto rota c8s h&r
2 mx3 93 gsze bought w/ mods
3 mx3 93 GSze mtx swp act stg3 str8 nek im eibach kl36
4 mx3 GS SOLD-
6 mx3 white gs jdm swap'd SOLD
*5th mx3 blk GS clean title modded DD*
1 PGT 97 blk, garaged clean sold
2 pgt primered 5 spd KL SOLD
RX8SE3P
Regular Member
Posts: 912
Joined: April 9th, 2007, 8:11 am

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by RX8SE3P »

Your oil light would have came on if you ran too low on oil pressure. Maybe you dropped a valve? Does the engine start anymore?
1995 Eunos 30x KLZE
Worklog
wytbishop
Senior Member
Posts: 5554
Joined: August 25th, 2004, 2:01 am
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Re: There is a HOLE in my HEAD!?

Post by wytbishop »

I knew that was an oil passage. If you have a really loud knocking that is present all the time and the car doesn’t run well then something broke inside somewhere. I doubt the oil pump went. I’d just pull it and take it apart. You’ll know what broke pretty quickly.
94' RS/GS/MS/CF Monster Turbo...coming soon.
93' GS SE, the Black Beast, the former love of my life...soon to be gutted and crushed.
94' GS, black on black, now in several small pieces...and one large crushed piece.
2007 Mazda3 GT Sport --- super fun
2004 Honda RC51 --- Lost forever to some theavin' bastard
My Worklog
My feedback thread
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Post Reply

Return to “V6 Technical/Performance”