swap ideas..

[RX8SE3P]

Have an RX8 for power eh?

As far as I know, the ZE makes more torque than an RX8 and earlier in the rev range. MX3 is also lighter. So if you got a nice healthy ZE, it'd be very very close to your RX8 in terms of straight line performance. No one is going to argue that the RX8 is far far better around the track.

In a straight line drag, unless the RX8 dumps the clutch @ 4000RPMS the ZE MX3 will win.

Hey I'm not bashing the RX8 though, it's one of my fav cars. Would have been awesome to come standard with turbo though.

I think you should try finding a low mileage ZE if you buy the MX3. Do your research and inspect the engine very carefully.

[Nd4SpdSe]

Indeed. I did a highway run against an Rx-8 once a few years ago...I was getting up beside him to get off at the next exit since he didn't have an FRS radio, and he thought I wanted to race. He was quick, but not nearly a s quick as a ZE Mx-3.

[Ryan]

+1 vote for Mazda to finally make a MazdaSpeed Rx8.

Have you seen that engine bay? About 10 cu ft to fit a big mother turbo setup....

[Nd4SpdSe]

Although the Renesis uses different location for the exhaust ports which initially caused problems with getting a turbo setup, Mazda prototyped a Supercharged Rx-8, which also was suppose to help with low-end torque...with is one of the downfalls to the rotary.

[fowljesse]

KLDE FTW.
And if you get the bug, you can build an MX-3 (like mine) that will beat the stock RX8 in every way, for less than the RX8 cost, and get better mileage.

[Ryan]

What ever happened to the 4 rotor theory?

[Nd4SpdSe]

What 4-rotor theory? The motor exist...

[Ryan]

Why not in production cars?

[RX8SE3P]

KLDE FTW.
And if you get the bug, you can build an MX-3 (like mine) that will beat the stock RX8 in every way, for less than the RX8 cost, and get better mileage.

Even around the corners? That's a tough accomplishment for an FWD car to beat an RX8 (which was designed for great cornering abilities) around corners. I'd love for Top Gear to get the Stig race both RX8 and your MX3 to see which is faster lol.

Then again, the Focus RS beat the RX8's time if I am correct so there's no reason yours shouldn't. It's WAY better than a stupid Focus!

[fowljesse]

I'm a braggart, and a boaster, and am glad you didn't take offense
I'm just guessing, for the most part. I had a gen II RX-7 before the MX-3, and my non-stock MX-3 would kill it (and I got pretty good at RWDriving; loved to drift.. There was a left turn at a "T", coming off an off-ramp that would always be yellow, so I got used to starting a drift before the turn, so I could shoot onto the narrow street before it turned yellow. I had to let the wheells regain traction at the right moment, so i wouldn't fishtail in the narrow lane). I'm sure the '8 is better than the '7. I would love to see what would happen. In a few days, my suspension will be completely upgraded, and I'm hoping for <1g on the skidpad.
I got a complete 360° spin out of my MX-3, within a lane, using the E-brake, and hard steering. I could dig up the thread about it....

[Flyer]

I'm a braggart, and a boaster, and am glad you didn't take offense
I'm just guessing, for the most part. I had a gen II RX-7 before the MX-3, and my non-stock MX-3 would kill it (and I got pretty good at RWDriving; loved to drift.. There was a left turn at a "T", coming off an off-ramp that would always be yellow, so I got used to starting a drift before the turn, so I could shoot onto the narrow street before it turned yellow. I had to let the wheells regain traction at the right moment, so i wouldn't fishtail in the narrow lane). I'm sure the '8 is better than the '7. I would love to see what would happen. In a few days, my suspension will be completely upgraded, and I'm hoping for <1g on the skidpad.
I got a complete 360° spin out of my MX-3, within a lane, using the E-brake, and hard steering. I could dig up the thread about it....

You mean "> 1g"...

[fowljesse]

Did I screw that up? I want to pull more than a full lateral G-force.

[robert davis]

You are right about dumping the clutch at 4k. Thats the only way to race in that thing and expect to beat something. I have no doubt the ZE is nice, and ya it has torque, but it doesn't have the rpm range. Id be a close race, but the 8 would eventually walk away the faster the race got. I'd bet the ZE would beat it in take off though. I have been beat by a fwd car before. It was a b18 in a crx from a dead stop on maybe an 8th mile stretch of road. The way he had to drive it to beat me though leads me to believe that his car probably didn't last to long. He had to beat the mortal crap out of it. A turbo model rx8 would be nice, as a matter of fact its in production in the aftermarket. I know turbo kits already exist but only make about 50 extra hp which is nothing when you just paid 5k for a kit. But people are starting to slightly mod the old TT rotor's and put them in the new Regenisis, dropping compression to 8:1. They have low compression rotors now but only to 9:1 which isn't a huge gain. The 4 rotor is not in production right, but about 4 of them actually exist and Im considering doing the 5th in a 2gen i found online. hes got a motor in it, plus a dissassembled one. My dad can custom make things so im gonna gave him make me an Eshaft for it. After that its basically just piecing it together. an na 26b unmodded should make about 350hp. If i did a periphiral port and changed the intake and a few other things i could get it up to 400+ on pump gas. with that much displacement i think i could turbo it with a stock TT turbo and probably pull close to 500 id say. I'd just have to get a TT rear end and tranny to support the power though. The na version wouldn't hold it. The 26b acutally won the lemans in 91 and then they banned it lol. I just wonder why someone hasn't gotten the idea to do a 6 rotor or even 8. Can you imagine that? i'd be like 1000hp na. dont know what you would put it in though.

[Ryan]

Thats why I really like the idea. With 3 rotor, there is always an combustion going on. On a 4 rotor, it overlaps. With a 6 rotor, you'd have two full-on combustions going all the time...

Shear some shafts in no time.

[Nd4SpdSe]

Why not in production cars?

Probably because of size and weight. People who do LS1 swaps claim it's the same weight because the LS1 is all aluminum....and that's only the 2 rotor.

FYI...Turbo 4-rotor RX-8:
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=739941" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;