Who here has mastered FWD drifting with LFBing

LooseChangeRacing · Post by **LooseChangeRacing** » January 7th, 2006, 8:25 pm

Title says it all, who here can FWD drift (the real way) and do you LFB or do you use some sort of other method, vids are highly proof!

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » January 8th, 2006, 11:13 am

I don't try to drift on a FWD car, it's slow and just excess stress on the rear tires for nothing, but I have created oversteer (a sligh drift) a few times performing LFB, but I don't attempted to try to drift.

JWMX3 · Post by **JWMX3** » January 8th, 2006, 12:18 pm

trying to drift with a fwd car is stupid, especially when we only have 160whp(ze) or less with other motors

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » January 8th, 2006, 3:24 pm

Nd4SpdSe wrote:I don't try to drift on a FWD car

LOL

anyway whats LFB?

LooseChangeRacing · Post by **LooseChangeRacing** » January 8th, 2006, 6:59 pm

Left Foot Braking, some call it Heel Toe, whichever way you wanna look at it, extremely hard at first but you can control yourself ALOT more once you get the hang of it

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » January 9th, 2006, 8:58 am

LooseChangeRacing wrote:Left Foot Braking, some call it Heel Toe, whichever way you wanna look at it, extremely hard at first but you can control yourself ALOT more once you get the hang of it

That's not heal-toe. Heal-toe is when your downshifting, you use it so you can brake and rev-match-downshift at the same time. Left boot braking is used to control and eliminate understeer, or in LooseChangeRacing's reason for this thread, creating oversteer.

Taking a corner, a FWD car would try to understeer, but modulating the brake with your left foot (while your still on the throttle with the right) to adjust's the weight distribution and helps to eliminate that. I used to practice it all the time driving home from work when I used to live back in Niagara, but my drive how is only straight, so I can't practice it like I used to, and it's almost impossible in the 626 because hitting the brake just slows down the car, it doesn't have enough power. It's really neat. If you can pull it off right, you'll feel the nose of the car dip down into the corner, tightning the turn. It's hard to practice cause you need to be going pretty fast on a corner to have the car want to understeer, but you also need to be almost completely on the throttle cause if you dont don't have/give it enough power you'll only slow down the car. As well, When I used to do it "regularly", I was still using the stock suspension, but with the upgrade suspension, it's alot harder to get the car to understeer since I can take corners much faster, and the new brakes are touchier, so i'm a bit worried of screweing up, cause at higher speeds, it'll be harder to recover if I screw up, I've had the rear kick out two/three times...so it's just take some practice getting confortable with it and trying it slowly. But if and when you start doing it, the hard part if getting the left foot to get used to modulating the brake pedal. By force of habbit, it just wants to mash the brake (if your used to using a clutch).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-foot_braking

This technique should not be confused with Heel-and-Toe, another driving technique.

http://www.rallyracingnews.com/lfb.html
http://www.modernracer.com/tips/leftfootbraking.html
http://www.wmc-bmwcca.org/profile/155

Gro Harlem · Post by **Gro Harlem** » January 22nd, 2006, 8:02 pm

In other words

"who here is an idiot moron who has totally bastaridzed their MX3 so it can drift?"

Seeing how a stock or near-stock alignment MX-3 simply can NOT drift it is almost retarded to ask the members here (all of which have stock or near-stock alignment specs on their car) if they've drifted their cars & have a video.

You ever see the setups those EF civic hatchbacks have? Generally +5 camber in the front or something ridiculously similar. Screwed up toe & caster and crappy C-rated tires in the rear that break loose easily. On top of a custom hand-brake system that uses servos that break the rear brakes loose when the driver pushes in the clutch pedal.

While some think of it as "kewl y0!"...the mx would be a poor platform to attempt to build a FWD drifter out of. A BG 323 would make more sense since it has an even shorter wheelbase & is much lighter.

Milks · Post by **Milks** » January 27th, 2006, 4:49 pm

Gro Harlem wrote:Seeing how a stock or near-stock alignment MX-3 simply can NOT drift...

about the 3rd day after buyint my completely standard mx-3 I found the thing oversteering severely round a tight roundabout making me work hard to keep it from spinning.

I've been trying to work out why it happened. I'm used to much more body roll in a car so perhaps I was going faster than I realised but it really didn't feel like it and the rear tyres seem fine, any ideas?

Nd4SpdSe · Post by **Nd4SpdSe** » January 28th, 2006, 10:32 am

Milks wrote:about the 3rd day after buyint my completely standard mx-3 I found the thing oversteering severely round a tight roundabout making me work hard to keep it from spinning.

I've been trying to work out why it happened. I'm used to much more body roll in a car so perhaps I was going faster than I realised but it really didn't feel like it and the rear tyres seem fine, any ideas?

It's all about weight management. What I suspect was done is that on the turn you probably lifted off the gas as you were turning. What happens there is that you started to decelerate and the car transfered more weight to the front wheels, making the rear lighter and reduces traction. That may cause the rear to want to slide out. This is what's called life-off oversteer.

Milks · Post by **Milks** » January 28th, 2006, 3:21 pm

Yeah I've just been reading about that effect elsewhere, just took me by surprise thats all, didn't feel like I was going anywhere near fast enough for that to happen making me wonder if something was wrong with the car

andthisguy · Post by **andthisguy** » February 15th, 2006, 5:16 am

left foot braking is another name for heal and toe?!!

Its LIVE at the apollo!!!

andthisguy · Post by **andthisguy** » February 15th, 2006, 5:18 am

i will add this though...

FF drifting?! some ppl call it a-- DRAGGING.... thats the truth... Poser mobile, dude!!!

kaioken · Post by **kaioken** » February 15th, 2006, 1:01 pm

andthisguy wrote:left foot braking is another name for heal and toe?!!

And again left-foot braking is 'NOT' toe-heel.

After many years of running Karts both shifter and the Kt-100 class, and racing stock car, And now Rally. These are not even close to being they same.

Tommy D · Post by **Tommy D** » February 15th, 2006, 9:20 pm

I use lift off oversteer and boot it mid drift to maintain.

Incase you guys call it summin else, this is when you go into a bend, tighten the turn with a flick and back off the accelerator, whilst turning into the opp direction, this shifts the CoG forward and the a-- lets go. Must be quick to catch it else u'll spin out. Often called a "Scandinavian Flick" used in rallying.....

I wouldnt use the brake to swing the a-- out, too complicated, and u'll loose momentum. Dont LOOS too fast untill ur confident, else youll end up in a hedge, or tumbleweed, or whatever you guys have over there, lol

andthisguy · Post by **andthisguy** » February 16th, 2006, 2:36 am

kaioken wrote:
andthisguy wrote:left foot braking is another name for heal and toe?!!
And again left-foot braking is 'NOT' toe-heel.

After many years of running Karts both shifter and the Kt-100 class, and racing stock car, And now Rally. These are not even close to being they same.

lol... hence the reason why i wrote "LIVE at the apollo" (amateur night??)

ah, nevermind... you ruined my joke man