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rate this mx3

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 1:04 am
by shab4life
setup was KLZE-T running 3lbs of boost for shows and all

now just got fully built KLDE, T3T4 Garrett turbo dyno gave us 346whp at 8lbs of boost.

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ka ... GP3962.flv

Re: rate this mx3

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 1:11 am
by mr1in6billion
shab4life wrote:setup was KLZE-T running 3lbs of boost for shows and all

now just got fully built KLDE, T3T4 Garrett turbo dyno gave us 346whp at 8lbs of boost.

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ka ... GP3962.flv
You sure that wasn't 18lbs of boost?

Re: rate this mx3

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 1:13 am
by shab4life
mr1in6billion wrote:
shab4life wrote:setup was KLZE-T running 3lbs of boost for shows and all

now just got fully built KLDE, T3T4 Garrett turbo dyno gave us 346whp at 8lbs of boost.

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ka ... GP3962.flv
You sure that wasn't 18lbs of boost?
yes im sure... what you think this is a 4cyl :P

Re: rate this mx3

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 1:46 am
by mr1in6billion
shab4life wrote:
mr1in6billion wrote:
shab4life wrote:setup was KLZE-T running 3lbs of boost for shows and all

now just got fully built KLDE, T3T4 Garrett turbo dyno gave us 346whp at 8lbs of boost.

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y47/ka ... GP3962.flv
You sure that wasn't 18lbs of boost?
yes im sure... what you think this is a 4cyl :P
The number of cylinders is mostly irrelevent, it's the displacement. I 1.8L V6 will produce roughly the same power as a 1.8L I4.

And I call BS on any car that claims to gain a 100% increase in hp at 8lbs of boost. At 15psi you are pushing twice as much air into the engine, thus you should get roughly twice the power. At 8psi you are pushing 55% more air, and it should give that much more power. If you are getting 346 at 8psi that means your engine is putting out over 220hp without boost. Most people with your engine hit just above 250 at 8psi (90hp less than you claim).

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 9:32 am
by Custommx3
I agree 8 lbs will not give you 156 more HP.

Im pushing 16 PSI in a 2.3L and Im only getting about 120 over NA.

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 11:16 am
by shab4life
Image

engine is bigger then 2.5 N/A but it was originally a 2.5L

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 11:44 am
by Mooneggs
you got videos of it on the dyno? also what altitude are you at??

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 12:54 pm
by Custommx3
dyno or not, I still cant see how your pushing that much, I'll need to see a parts list if you have one, maybe what work was done.

A local guy has a fully build DE pushing 8 psi and hes barley over 300.

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 1:37 pm
by hgallegos915
How did you get 3 psi? a spring? i couldnt find one, so i had to go 5 psi.

Posted: November 12th, 2007, 9:57 pm
by mr1in6billion
BTW. Your tcf is off and your drive ratio is way off. Next time go to a shop that knows what they are doing.

Posted: November 13th, 2007, 10:01 am
by Custommx3
Chop? looking @ the top left corner of the image, it looks like something is covered up..i could be wrong.

Posted: November 13th, 2007, 1:21 pm
by shab4life
tsk tsk tsk all you guys can do is critisize... i dont have a video and elevation im not sure.. im on ottawa ontario.. ill film the next dyno run...

Posted: November 13th, 2007, 1:40 pm
by Custommx3
We're not criticizing.. we want proof. you posted something that seems far-fetched.

We had a guy on the mx-3 email list that claimed to have a twin turbo small block v8 in his mx-3. Not realizing he was local to myself as well as a mechanic that had actually worked on his car!!

We're not calling you a liar, we just want more proof. The dyno clearly shows the numbers you claim. But whos to say its not fake with some numbers seemingly incorrect? How abotu a list of mods youve done? pics? anything but a video of a drive by and a scan of a dyno.

Show us more and get the respect you deserve.

Posted: November 13th, 2007, 3:51 pm
by Mnemonic
The answer to why his numbers are so high is extremely simple He's on a dynapack dyno. They do not deliver true whp numbers because Well YOU DONT HAVE WHEELS ON WHEN YOU DYNO! these machines hook to your hubs and basically measure hp at the axle. I've argued the accuracy of these many times as they provide unrealistic whp numbers, yes the wheel factor is simulated by a computer but um you can enter in any size wheel at any weight and with different other variables, making it unrealistic to what your car actually puts to the wheels. If you want accuracy go DynoJet or STFU.

It's not his fault he's claiming what the machine told him, but to be honest you dont have that much whp, there are too many factors that come into play when you go from the axle to the wheel, think about it your eliminating the actual rotating mass that puts the hp to the ground.

If you did make that much whp on a dynojet then congratz, you've some how figured somethign out that no one else has ever figured out, including a few guys on here pushing close to 400whp but at 14psi, which i trust his dyno over yours




And to everyone who didnt really look at his dyno, IT SAYS FLYWHEEL TORQUE AND FLYWHEEL HP...

Do a little math and you find out he's putting down the same amount of power most guys do with a similar setup...

Posted: November 13th, 2007, 7:26 pm
by shab4life
I will go on a proper dyno next time, give me a few weeks.