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hi guys and greetings from germany.
i hope you can help me with my problem. as my ´92 1.8l engine have had a damage i wanna do a swap from 1.8l to the 2.5l out of a MX-6. unfortunately the klde engine was not offered in germany for the MX-3 and so i need some technical data sheets of the american version of the 2.5l MX-3 to legalize the swap. therefore i need:
1. the quantity of emissions
2. the serial numbers of gearbox, motor steering box and brakes
3. the weight of the car (loaded - empty)
mazda usa unfortunately was not able to give me these informations (or they didn´t want to )
i really really hope you can help me. if anyone can please send me a copy of these sheets as email to andreas_schumann@gmx.de ( should have an official stamp of mazda or be certified by an office)
thanks
btw i hope you can understand my english. maybe i should had done other things in school than playing tic tac toe:oops:

Considering your looking at information related to an Mx-6, i would recommend to check out http://www.mx6.com, they would know about their cars then we would.

I don't understand, what 2.5L engines did you get in germany then? Aren't engine upgrades in general illegal in germany?

Serial numbers are usually matched with the car and individual for each car. I never checked, nor have I a reason to, but I believe that's the way they would be.

if im understanding correctly, it sounds like you think the 2.5 litre was available in mx-3s from the factory , but unfortunatly it was not. anywhere.

you can use any k series engines and most of them are better than k8 slightly. ivenseen tons of write ups on these engines.

Yeah, the MX-3 came with the K8 in all countries. The 2.5L we put into the car. As for emisions I can't say what Mazda rated the motor at, but my 2.5L KL-ZE passes with lower emisions than my K8 and the ZE doesn't have EGR. Anyway, I think you need to find out if it is legal to swap the motor from a MX-6 into the MX-3 in Germany. Also there is a German MX-3 club that could help. Do a search and you'll find them....


Good luck.

O WOW a xe has lower emissions that the k8? :O one would think a stronger engine pollutes more but wow that engine never stops to amuse me!

hgallegos915 wrote:O WOW a xe has lower emissions that the k8? :O one would think a stronger engine pollutes more but wow that engine never stops to amuse me!

Lol, have you been drinkin ? I think you mean "amaze" not amuse

and its a Ze , not XE
im just jokin with ya

Nd4SpdSe wrote:Considering your looking at information related to an Mx-6, i would recommend to check out http://www.mx6.com, they would know about their cars then we would.
I don't understand, what 2.5L engines did you get in germany then? Aren't engine upgrades in general illegal in germany?

engine upgrades in germany can be done if you can show, that the emissions are in acceptable tolerances, that the brakes are powerfull enuogh and the new weights are not too much for the chassis (thats why i cannot use the MX-6 datas). but these informations are very expensive if you let do them by private firms. i would have to pay about 2000€, thats about 2300 US$. in germany are guys who done that, but they are not interessted in sharing these informations
as i thought that the klde engine was build in the american version of the MX-3 i was asking you. damn that it wasn´t
however i thank you all guys for your help
cya

hgallegos915 wrote:O WOW a xe has lower emissions that the k8? :O one would think a stronger engine pollutes more but wow that engine never stops to amuse me!

hgallegos915 wrote:O WOW a xe has lower emissions that the k8? :O one would think a stronger engine pollutes more but wow that engine never stops to amuse me!

Yep, same here, it creamed the e-test, my K8 actually failed the first run.

engine upgrades in germany can be done if you can show, that the emissions are in acceptable tolerances, that the brakes are powerfull enuogh and the new weights are not too much for the chassis (thats why i cannot use the MX-6 datas).

Well, wouldn't the easiest way to get emissions info out of your local Mx-6 and swap in that engine? As for weight, I believe it's almost negligable

Why cant you just swap in the engine, nobody will be able to tell the difference. The engine weighs pretty much the same as your stock engine. Emissions are probably no different and you just use your stock transmission.

If they check the Vin on the motor it will not match and then God knows what trouble and hassle he'll get inot the straighten it out.

Also if he needs technical data from Mazda he is screwed. They won't publish it anymore (probably don't even have it anymore). Also since the DE was never in a MX-3, he needs MX-6 data which will be just as hard to get Mazda printed data on. We could come up with engine weights, and proven emisions data (in hte form of passing emisions slips), but he'll still need brake info (which the MX-3 uses smaller brakes and I don't know of any BG chasis with larger brakes in N.A. that he could use the data from.

The only real source is going to be to find someone in Germany to help out. I'd bet that the ones who have done the swap have found a way around the need for the data and that is why they don't want to share. (getting busted will mean they have to change back to a K8)

The MX-6 has another gearbox, thatswhy it has antoher quantity of emissions than the klde would have with the MX-3 gearbox, but i cannot use the g. of the MX-6 because then i would have to change the brakes (higher vmax). And this isn´t possible because in germany there are no sport brakes for the MX-3.
In germany there are guys who built in the klde without legalizing but if anything happens like an accident (even you are not guilty) your car will be checked by trained personell and they WILL find out that the engine doesn´t fit. then you are f**ed because of tax evasion and insurance fraud

Andi-Alkoholiker wrote:The MX-6 has another gearbox, thatswhy it has antoher quantity of emissions than the klde would have with the MX-3 gearbox, but i cannot use the g. of the MX-6 because then i would have to change the brakes (higher vmax). And this isn´t possible because in germany there are no sport brakes for the MX-3.
In germany there are guys who built in the klde without legalizing but if anything happens like an accident (even you are not guilty) your car will be checked by trained personell and they WILL find out that the engine doesn´t fit. then you are f**ed because of tax evasion and insurance fraud

What about stroking your current engine? You can use KLDE rods and crank to get your existing block to about 2.2 liters. Then, use the KLZE cams on it to get a little more breathing going, a little head work on the K8 heads. You could also see if you can bore out those cylinders appreciably to get KLZE pistons in there. Then, your block number will match up OK, but the internals will be different.

.........they do have engine machine shops in Germany, yes?

the problem is, that my current engine have had a crankshaft damage. a repair is not payable. maybe i´m going to put in the 2,0l kf engine. this one is not to distinguish from the 1.8l, even for consultants