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kljordan · Post by **kljordan** » November 28th, 2005, 6:14 am

Well this has been a common problem for me

. I get a new part and something else goes wrong. I just got my Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch and new throw out bearing to get my totally shot clutch out, just would need flywheel surfaced, and the car decides to poop out again

. This time my problem lies in the fact that when i go to start it, I get this it will grind and grind motor will Fire but just die immediately after it fires. Just cuts right out no like bog down then die just hear it fire then cuts right out. I think that I'm not getting a spark from something somewhere. Let me know if anyone has had the same problem as I am having or any ideas what to look at first. I'm just hoping maybe my plugs will be fouled

. Also on the plugs what is the correct gap on the KLZE. When i put these in i didnt gap them. I also bought them for a 2000 626 4 Cylinder. If these are the wrong plugs also let me know. Lakersfan recommended these and not 100% sure if they are what to use. Thanks for any help in advance

KaJe

slimmyslim1420 · Post by **slimmyslim1420** » November 28th, 2005, 8:48 am

The plugs that I use in my ZE are BKR6E-11 NGK v groove plugs. They only cost like $1.50 and you can order them for a 93-97 ford probe 4cyl. The one with the 2.0. I know if you get them for the 90's model v6 mx-6's or 626's they are the FK series and they are too long and your piston can hit them closing the gap. Oh and the gap should be around 0.44.
hope this helps, Damon

MX3 GSR for dummies · November 28th, 2005, 10:43 am

Check for a break in your intake. When your intake gets a crack or comes apart, this can cause that exact effect. This is probably not the issue but it's worth a shot. Happened to me coming off the highway. The next thing would be correct spark plugs!!!! I had that problem as well. Go with the BKR's. Then if problem still persists, just take one plug out and while still attached (plugged in) to the wire, take a booster cable and crimp it on to the threads of the plug and with the other end, ground it to the body of the car. Turn over the car and see if there is a spark. Repeat for all cylinders and this will give you an answer if you have sparkl or not. Make sure that the spark is a bright blue. A red spark means a fouled plug. Also make sure the spark is created at the tip. Does not sound like a disty issue so take a load off your mind and try these steps...get back to us. Good luck!

lakersfan1 · Post by **lakersfan1** » November 28th, 2005, 11:11 am

slimmyslim1420 wrote:The plugs that I use in my ZE are BKR6E-11 NGK v groove plugs. They only cost like $1.50 and you can order them for a 93-97 ford probe 4cyl. The one with the 2.0. I know if you get them for the 90's model v6 mx-6's or 626's they are the FK series and they are too long and your piston can hit them closing the gap. Oh and the gap should be around 0.44.
hope this helps, Damon

He's got the right plugs. The 00 626 4 cylinder is the same engine as the 93-97 Probe 4 cyl. Both FSDE engines with 9.2:1 compression.

.040 to .044 should be fine.

If it's not starting, have to ask what ALL did you do to the car since last time it started? You had to have done more than a spark plug change, no?

MX3 GSR for dummies · November 28th, 2005, 11:23 am

lakersfan1 wrote: He's got the right plugs.

I'm was too lazy to check that......Thanks

kljordan · Post by **kljordan** » November 28th, 2005, 3:30 pm

I didn't do anything to the car. I changed the plugs about 2 months ago for the 626 plugs, other than that i have done nothing. I just went up to my buddies house came back downstairs to leave and then all this started happening. Sorry LakersFan i wasnt doubting you just double checking trying to cover all the bases on this one to find my cheapest alternative. Thanks again im going to work on the car here in about a half hour so I'll check back in for you guys thanks.
Also GSR it not being a Disty problem just probably kept my body from having a heartattack. I just dropped 300 USD on my new clutch which i badly wanna put in NOW and probably wouldn't have been able to afford the new disty for a lil while.
KaJe

slimmyslim1420 · Post by **slimmyslim1420** » November 28th, 2005, 10:57 pm

Yea I wasn't saying you didn't know what you were talking about Lakersfan, but I didn't know what plugs came in the 00 626 so I just told him the ones he needed to use. The only thing I knew was you shouldn'u use the FK series plugs.

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » November 29th, 2005, 1:25 am

Take the plugs back out and make sure to put them in the plug socket and turn the extensoin by hand untill they are snug. If you (which we hope you didn't do) cross thread a plug it will not seat and thus you get no compression. It will pop the plug wire up and your car will die from no compression or no plug wire attached to the plug. Either way, if you cross threaded the plug into the head you are looking at MAJOR repairs...
Again, I hope you didn't do that, but that is the only thing I can think of that might cause a sudden start and die after only replacing the plugs.

OHHH, on second thought, double check that you put all the wires back on correctly. The disty is labeled for which cylinder the plug goes to and the cylinder numbers are 1-3-5 on the rear from left to right and 2-4-6 on the front from left to right. If you mixed them up it may fire, but only for a second unitll the next cylinder is looking for spark and not getting it.

kljordan · Post by **kljordan** » November 29th, 2005, 3:47 pm

I changed the plugs nearly two months ago maybe even a little longer than that. A buddy of mine around here thinks that i may have a plugged up fuel filter possibly frozen fuel lines. Our first guess is still that I'm not receiving a spark I'm going to go test that right now I'll let you guys know. I didnt get to go look at it yesterday i got stranded at home sooo I had to wait.

Thanks

KaJe

PATDIESEL · Post by **PATDIESEL** » November 29th, 2005, 3:54 pm

You can test for fuel pressure by turning the key on (don't crank) and pull a fuel line. It will spray EVERWHERE if it is pressurized at the fuel rail. If it trickles or doesn't spray fuel you have a fuel delivery problem. eg. fuel pump, fuel filter, blocked line or something like that.

MX3 GSR for dummies · November 29th, 2005, 4:40 pm

PATDIESEL wrote:You can test for fuel pressure by turning the key on (don't crank) and pull a fuel line. It will spray EVERWHERE if it is pressurized at the fuel rail.

Don't use an open faced trouble light. I think the name says it all. Have a fire extinguisher on hand.. I saw a guy (idiot) lose his whole car with a simple fuel delivery check.
Try turning the key to the on possition and not turning over. Listen if the pump is working. If you don't hear it, repeat about five times, if still no or yes, then try taking a plug out and turning it over with throttle to the floor. If fuel sprays/splashes/mists out of that cylinder upwards your pressure is good. Otherwise, test the fuel relay under the back seat for power on the trigger wire. If there is no power then the relay is shot, if there is, then the pump is shot.

Hopefully before doing all of this you've checked for spark first though.

kljordan · Post by **kljordan** » November 30th, 2005, 2:26 pm

ok me and my buddy have diagnosed it down to the fuel pump. No sound of it kickin in. So my next question is this do I need to get a KL series fuel pump or just the stock ol mx-3 one? Please get back asap im taking to shop as soon as i get this back thx..
KaJe

lakersfan1 · Post by **lakersfan1** » November 30th, 2005, 3:04 pm

Whichever's cheaper. Both supply enough fuel for a KLZE.

Make sure the pump's getting power before going through the trouble, though.

MX3 GSR for dummies · December 1st, 2005, 9:06 am

Hopefully you checked the relay but in the case of it being the fuel pump, I recently aquired a walbro 255LPH on ebay. This is your cheapest route as I was quoted double for the stock. go to http://www.treperformance.com and get model tre-342. They are 69.99 plus shipping. Good luck.