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What is a "stand alone fuel management system"? I have heard SO many people talk about it, but nobody can actually tell me what one is. I'd love to figure this out. Thanks alot guys

Someone's been watching a tad too much Fast and Furious.

it's a programmable setup that lets you customize your fuel map. this way, you can run higher boost levels because you have a more precise a/f ratio. it evens helps on n/a cars (but not as much) because at wot the car(stock ecu) has a preset map for the air/fuel ratio so it's not reading the air flow input signal.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cre8v mx3:<BR><STRONG>it's a programmable setup that lets you customize your fuel map. this way, you can run higher boost levels because you have a more precise a/f ratio. it evens helps on n/a cars (but not as much) because at wot the car(stock ecu) has a preset map for the air/fuel ratio so it's not reading the air flow input signal.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>It also controls the ignition timing. There are also versions that are 3d and allow you change stuff according to load as well, giving yet another tuning factor.

<A HREF="http://www.haltech.com" TARGET=_blank>www.haltech.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.sdsefi.com" TARGET=_blank>www.sdsefi.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.electromotive-inc.com" TARGET=_blank>www.electromotive-inc.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.motec.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.motec.com/</A> <P>those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head<p>[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: David Coleman ]

"not a bad way to spend ten thousand dollars"

what kind of gains do our 1.8s or 2.5s see out of these? I know my friends h22a gained 8hp and 9tq at the wheels with a V-AFC, which would be more than us due to the vtec control it has, but would we see close to that much or no?

As I said I've heard ALOT of people saying stuff about it<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KillerMX3:<BR><STRONG>.....,I aslo have unorthadox cam gears and Pulleys,PAxton racing stand alone fuel regulating system .......</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by v6turbo323hatch:<BR><STRONG>Wicked setup man. SDS stand alone computer, eh.......</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not just from "The Fast and The Furious" Just becuz it's on a movie doesn't mean that's why I want to know what it is. True, that was the first place I saw it, but what the hell does that matter?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Q187:<BR><STRONG>Someone's been watching a tad too much Fast and Furious. </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>f--- you<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bri94GS:<BR><STRONG>"not a bad way to spend ten thousand dollars"</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>f--- you<P>Keep your smart a-- comments to yourselves.<P><BR>As for the people that actually had intellegent replies, thanks guys<p>[ February 20, 2002: Message edited by: VizualXTC ]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redline<P><B>what kind of gains do our 1.8s or 2.5s see out of these? I know my friends h22a gained 8hp and 9tq at the wheels with a V-AFC, which would be more than us due to the vtec control it has, but would we see close to that much or no?</B><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>but you also need to remember that that is just a piggy back set-up. it's a good tuning tool but it's nowhere near as customizable as a stand alone. sure, he has v-tec, but as far as the rest goes, it's inferior to a stand alone. depending on the setup you get you could see the same gains and possibly more.

I would have to say once you have highly modded the car, the FMS would be useful, but for all practical purposes, I woul consider it a waste of money. [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by basil_75:<BR><STRONG>I would have to say once you have highly modded the car, the FMS would be useful, but for all practical purposes, I woul consider it a waste of money. [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I understand. I plan on turbocharing the KL_ZE this summer. That would work well with a fuel delivery system. I was just asking what one was. What it consisted of, and how it works.

From what I understand, it gives you the ability to adjust fuel pressure, air/fuel, and I'm sure a few other things....I would probably wind up blowing up my car with one so I never looked it up.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by basil_75:<BR><STRONG>I would have to say once you have highly modded the car, the FMS would be useful, but for all practical purposes, I woul consider it a waste of money. [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Put one a BONE STOCK MX-3, and you'll probably gain about 15-20 whp.<P> [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]

The "stand-alone" fuel management systems replace your stock ECU. Most of them use MAP sensors to replace the VAF, which is a quick HP gain.<BR>Like someone said the S-VFC piggybacks on your stock ECU and gives you some tuning capability.<BR>A word of caution, you'd better know someone else that has installed the exact same system on the exact same vehicle as yours or else the development time will be long and expensive. That's why one poster had the $10K comment. By the way, you need to lighten up just a bit! <P>A friend has the Link system on his Miata. He got a break on the price since his MX-5 was used as a development mule for the Link system. He now recommends the Haltech II (there's a III out now) but warns about the development time. This could translate to quite a few hours on the dyno and that ain't cheap!

Be nice and stay on topic guys...<P>Stand alones have awesome potential, both to make power and totally screw up your engine. Tuning is the key....