MX-3 GS vs. Honda Accord V6 ?!

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VizualXTC:<BR><STRONG><P>respect? a honda? Well buddy, I think not. You say the b18b engine has tons of torque compared to my car??? The LS integra has what? 124Ft/Lbs of torque(+9), and 140BHP(+10). I wouldn't call that tons. The VTEC teg (GS-R with b18c1) has 170BHP and 128ft/lbs of torque. I wouldn't say that's tons of torque either. I would give the LS 5-10HP with the VTEC head. Not even close to 197. If this IS true, get me documentation to prove it. Honda has been proven a torqueless wonder. Even the 240BHP s2000 only has 154ft/lbs of torque. And as we all know, HP is nothing without torque to back it up. So, get the info right before tellin me to have "respect" for grocery gettin, rice boy drivin, over-rated, pussy cars. I don't disrespect them becuz they are bad cars, I disrespect them becuz they are s--- to tune. Too "fit-in"ish, and too expensive......buddy. Why don't you show me a little respect before you go runnin your mouth?<P>P.S. There are also A, F, E, and Z series engines for the honda, and to put the b18c5 engine in, they would have to have changed the chassis. [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>1) The LS-Vtec combonation is good for about 190-200 hp. It bumps compression way up, and also increases displacement. The only issue is the rod ratio, which drops to ~1.56 IIRC, and so the engine shouldnt be revved over 8.<P>2) If you need documentation to show that it works, goto ANY honda site and do a search. Ive driven one....thats enough proof for me. That car ran 12s by the way...(no, it wasnt stock)<P>3) The S2000 is a VERY respectable car. And apparently, youre the only one who knows that hp is nothing without torque...why you ask?<P>because the rest of us all know that hp is directly in relation to torque...so i guess it wouldnt matter.<P>4) The B18B engine is also a very nice engine...and it will outrun MOST MX-3 GS given equal drivers. (certain people, David for instance, were faster than they should have been) 140hp and 125 lb-ft on a car that weighs about as much as yours with a better spaced tranny will actually beat your car, contrary to your belief.<P>5) stop flamming everyone who likes something other than Mazda. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, BMW, etc ALL deserve respect for their stuff.<P>6) You do NOT have to change the chassis at all to put a B18C5 into an integra. Its the same engine, with a mildly ported head, valvetrain, different manifolds, and new internals. <P>7) please get YOUR facts straight before you try to rip on people. You complain when the "veterens" get mad at the newbies, and here you are doing the same...pathetic.

[pcperez83]

I got nuthin against Nissan, Toyota, Ford, bla bla,but i do hate honda, all hondas before VTEC are s---, ane even the cars with VTEC are torqueless, HONDA BLOWS GOATS

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pedro:<BR><STRONG>I got nuthin against Nissan, Toyota, Ford, bla bla,but i do hate honda, all hondas before VTEC are s---, ane even the cars with VTEC are torqueless, HONDA BLOWS GOATS</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'll put my money on a '85 CRX stock to stock against a MX-3 in an autocross.... [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]

[Stevech_2001]

ya protege knows his s---, and I agree with everything he said....I'd like to see your car go against a s2000, it would hand you your a-- so you have to respect that....why would you hate on something that is faster then your car....and you can stuff a b18c5 you just need engine mounts, which is the same for everything but the zc and d16 into a 4th gen... go to honda hybrid's site and do alittle research on honda and ls/vtec before you rag on people...and tell your buddy to learn how to drive his integra.....

[VizualXTC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ProtegeSTS:<BR><STRONG><P><BR>1) The LS-Vtec combonation is good for about 190-200 hp. It bumps compression way up, and also increases displacement. The only issue is the rod ratio, which drops to ~1.56 IIRC, and so the engine shouldnt be revved over 8.<P>2) If you need documentation to show that it works, goto ANY honda site and do a search. Ive driven one....thats enough proof for me. That car ran 12s by the way...(no, it wasnt stock)<P>3) The S2000 is a VERY respectable car. And apparently, youre the only one who knows that hp is nothing without torque...why you ask?<P>because the rest of us all know that hp is directly in relation to torque...so i guess it wouldnt matter.<P>4) The B18B engine is also a very nice engine...and it will outrun MOST MX-3 GS given equal drivers. (certain people, David for instance, were faster than they should have been) 140hp and 125 lb-ft on a car that weighs about as much as yours with a better spaced tranny will actually beat your car, contrary to your belief.<P>5) stop flamming everyone who likes something other than Mazda. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, BMW, etc ALL deserve respect for their stuff.<P>6) You do NOT have to change the chassis at all to put a B18C5 into an integra. Its the same engine, with a mildly ported head, valvetrain, different manifolds, and new internals. <P>7) please get YOUR facts straight before you try to rip on people. You complain when the "veterens" get mad at the newbies, and here you are doing the same...pathetic.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>1. I spoke to a guy that actually had (or claimed to) put a vtec head on the b18b engine, and said it did a little but nowhere near 195HP. <P>2. It's good that you had the chance to ride in one. I havn't. That is why I would like documentation. <P>3. The s2000 has 153TQ @7400RPM. I believe the equation to get HP is TQ * RPM/5252 = HP. I know all about that pal <P>4. He said it has "tons of torque" compared to my car. It has 9 extra ft/lbs. I wouldn't call that tons would you?<P>5. I don't have any problem with ANYONE that likes other stuff than me. My cuzin and best friend is a honda boy. In fact, his favorite car is the del Sol. I have FREQUENTLY defended that car to other haters. I don't hate hondas, I hate honda engines. In fact on verious occasions (if you got into the Yahoo! Chat Import room you would witness this) I hate the K8 engine. I think that the MX-3 should have come with the KLDE engine. So it's not like I LOVE mazdas. I have oppinions on ALL makes and models of cars. <P>6. I was speaking about the b18c5 going in the gen 4 civic hatchback. In that case......oh you WOULD need to change the chassis. <P>7. I was not rippin on him becuz he was a newbie. I was rippin on him becuz he told me to have respect for a car that I don't respect. He was DISRESPECTING me so I DISRESPECTED him. Has NOTHING to do with being a newbie or not. If you'd acturally read, you'd have realized that instead of making an a-- out of yourself....pathetec. <P>and finally <BR>8. Why not actually find something better to do than rip my posts apart? Get a life and stop trying to prove everything I say wrong, huh? Why not, with all your knowledge and wisdom, try and actually HELP people instead of being an a--? Or is that too hard for you to do?

[ProtegeSTS]

oh Ryan...<BR> <A HREF="http://absolutevtec.websitegalaxy.com/lsvtec.html" TARGET=_blank>http://absolutevtec.websitegalaxy.com/lsvtec.html</A> (how to do LsVtec swap)<P> (dyno of LsVtec)<P>hold it...doesnt that say that he's got 145 lb-ft of torque AT THE WHEELS?? And its only a 1.8L You have 102 at the wheels, if youre lucky. Anything else?<p>[ July 02, 2002: Message edited by: ProtegeSTS ]

[Sonicxtacy02]

ok not to butt in here but what is the whole point of this arguement??? You guys are comparing the low end v6 from mazda to the high end engine from honda. He was saying he doesnt like the honda engines in general, not that the b18 is a weaker motor than the k8. And the whole S2000 argument is pointless as well. Sure an mx is gonna get spanked by a S2000, but for a 30k+ i would expect more permformance, esp from a flagship vehicle. This post is starting to look awfully like the 88 civic post, how bout we stop the bickering guys?

[mitmaks]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stevech_2001:<BR><STRONG>sorry bud just isn't going to happen a accord would win......a mx-3 gs could run with a stock si but not a v6accord</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>sorry dude i dont like hondas but i hate to admit i dont think gs would be faster than Si, they have 160 hp and SiR's have 190...<P>

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mitmaks:<BR><STRONG><P>sorry dude i dont like hondas but i hate to admit i dont think gs would be faster than Si, they have 160 hp and SiR's have 190...<P> </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>FWIW, the accord never came in a "Si" or "SiR" model.

[mitmaks]

no, sorry about u dude, i am not talking about accord, he said that mx wont be able to race accord but civic Si but it wont cause Si has more hp.. <BR>i wasnt talking about accord Si? ok? i know that accord didnt come in Si ok? <BR>next time please read carefully and dont make me look foolish like i dont know accord from Si.

[ProtegeSTS]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mitmaks:<BR><STRONG>no, sorry about u dude, i am not talking about accord, he said that mx wont be able to race accord but civic Si but it wont cause Si has more hp.. <BR>i wasnt talking about accord Si? ok? i know that accord didnt come in Si ok? <BR>next time please read carefully and dont make me look foolish like i dont know accord from Si.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Ok, i was wrong...i didnt realize you were talking about that early post. In my defense though, you have to realize that he is in Canada. Which means that the "Si" only has 127hp. The "SiR" is our version of the Si with the B16A and 160hp.

[Stevech_2001]

ya you can stuff a b18c5 into a 4th gen ...you can stuff a h22 if you wanted to...the b18c5 fits without changing the chassis...you just need mounts, a vtec controller and some other various things...and if that guy put a vtec head on he probobly didnt do anything to the motor and had an old beat b18b block...and s2000 can run 13's but need to be launched perfectly, it's hard not to get it to bog...you have to launch at like 6000...and how could you like honda but hate the motors....honda makes some pretty good motors...I don't like haters

[ProtegeSTS]

Ok people, chill. Its just the internet.

[pcperez83]

I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, in my opinion Hondas b4 vtec are s---, but i do give honda props for cars after vtec and for the S2000, ofcourse it would murder an mx-3, but personally i don't like Hondas because they are more common then cavaliers, i once read on the forum "everyone and their grandmas drive hondas" and its so true, i'm sure a fast souped up mx-3 would turn more heads then ANOTHER souped up civic, but thats my opinion.

[VizualXTC]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ProtegeSTS:<BR><STRONG>oh Ryan...<BR> <A HREF="http://absolutevtec.websitegalaxy.com/lsvtec.html" TARGET=_blank>http://absolutevtec.websitegalaxy.com/lsvtec.html</A> (how to do LsVtec swap)<P> <P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stevech_2001:<BR><STRONG><BR>a you can stuff a b18c5 into a 4th gen ...you can stuff a h22 if you wanted to...the b18c5 fits without changing the chassis...you just need mounts, a vtec controller and some other various things...and if that guy put a vtec head on he probobly didnt do anything to the motor and had an old beat b18b block...and s2000 can run 13's but need to be launched perfectly, it's hard not to get it to bog...you have to launch at like 6000...and how could you like honda but hate the motors....honda makes some pretty good motors...I don't like haters</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I never said you can't put the b18b engine in the 4th gen civic. I said that the chassis would change. In fact I know of a few peeps that have the b18b and b18c engines in civics, del Sols, and CRX's. I said I highly doubt that a PRODUCTION car would come with AFTERMARKET motor mounts, and various other items to make the b18b engine fit in the ED chassis, I imagine they'd change it around a bit.. Also, I never said I liked honda's. I said I don't hate them. I think most of them look very nice, and work well in STOCK form. I personally wouldn't fix them up. I don't like them....that is my oppinion. And like Shaun said. It's kinda strange that an s2000 has 230HP@8300 153TQ@7500 and costs $10,000 more than a Camero Z28 which has, um....310HP@5200 and 340TQ@4000. Who's gunna win that one? Plus I have a $3500 car, for another $1000 I can put in a KLZE or KLDE engine (the one that we all agree should have come in the car origionally, and putting a grand total of $4500) and put the LS ($7500) or ls-vtec, to shame. There are 2 examples of why I dislike Honda engines. They come in overpriced cars, have VERY little PEAK torque compared to other engines, and will be desimated by cars costing thousands less. <P>And if I'm not mistaken....YOU were the one that was hating on me....buddy.