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France isn't helping us cause they told saddam that they would turn a blind eye to the 1st acts of U.S. aggression, due to the fact that saddam is holding the oil factor over Frances head. Also for more proof on whats going on in Iraq, Saddam has many look alikes, to help him stay alive basically, 1 has defected from Iraq and is now talking to the U.N. and telling them that Iraq does have nuclear weapons, wether its true or not what he says we'll see. And as far as Gore doing a better job, doesn't anybody else find it funny how when a little heat starts to rise in the middle east he backs off on running again.

Im not getting my info from the media, im getting it from friends and family that live all around the world. Its not everyone but if you go speak to somone in central america or the eurpoean nations, they feel that the US is over stepping its bounds. Sure we help other countires, but we do screw up a fair enough of times. Take the whole IRAP thing, and besides that, take panama. We gave them money to "stimulate" the economy and we ALL know what happen.For the people that dont know there was almost a friggin civil war. The us is like the tony soprano of the world. Sure we will help you , but the US always expect something in return. See how everyone is mad at france, why you ask?? because when they needed help we helped them, well does that mean they are obligated to help us when we get into tough spots. nope! but since they arent the US is using its "world like bully powers" :p to make everyone look down on france. makes you think...

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The_Great_Tonge:
Sure we will help you , but the US always expect something in return. See how everyone is mad at france, why you ask?? because when they needed help we helped them, well does that mean they are obligated to help us when we get into tough spots. nope! but since they arent the US is using its "world like bully powers" :p to make everyone look down on france. makes you think...<hr></blockquote><p>France helping us really has nothing to do with how we helped them in the past, cause they helped us win the Revolutionary war, it has to do with them being in the U.N., the only thinking I'm doing is I'm wondering if Canada and Germany are intimitated by the oil factor as well.

hmmmm...the US and canada have limited oil supplies of there own. we could go awhile, but saddam threating to drop radioactive material in the oil resevers making al of that oil no good. id be picky to choose my battles too. just have to have vision for the future. what we should have done was had him killed after desert storm, but NO!!! the US doesn't kill, international rule this, international rule that, i say blaa!!

I suggest doing it like they did in the movie hot shots, or was it hot shots part deaux? (sp?)

The reason the league of nations, an orgainzation much like the UN, failed after World War I is because nobody was willing to take a stand against Hitler, including France. I bet France wishes they could could go back in time and taken out Hitler before he was powerful-I know that 6 million dead Jews do. History repeats itself and it is amazing how quickly some forget. Okay, fine don't help us oust Sadam's regime, but don't get in our way either-which is exacly what France is doing. They may lose a cheap supply of oil if Sadam is gone but if he is not thousands of Americans will lose their lives and thousands more will lose their jobs because our economy will be hit hard as well. If our economy suffers, the rest of the world's economies will suffer including France's-which is why I just don't understand their position. If they don't want to help us out of respect for human life they should at least do so for their own self preservation.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by The_Great_Tonge:
hmmmm...the US and canada have limited oil supplies of there own. we could go awhile, but saddam threating to drop radioactive material in the oil resevers making al of that oil no good. id be picky to choose my battles too. just have to have vision for the future. what we should have done was had him killed after desert storm, but NO!!! the US doesn't kill, international rule this, international rule that, i say blaa!!<hr></blockquote><p>Actually we have TONS of oil here in reserves as well as oil supplies of our own to refine (not incl the reserves). The reson I think we dont is because they have such an abundance its cheaper to buy it from them than refine our own. Why use ours when we can get it cheaper in bulk?

I can't believe what I'm reading here. Do you guys realize that if Saddam puts a nuke over Washington or NYC that it will kill thousands on thousands of CANADIANS too? You think Saddam gives a flying fukk about Canada? NO! He's gunna try and harm the USA and he's gunna take out whoever is nearby. See, Saddam helped plan the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Centers. That was unprovoked. Most people think that the US lost 3000 people that day, but if you look in the name, WORLD Trade Center, it says WORLD. I dunno what the percentage was American, but the majority wasn't even american. Canada can sit up there and think "America should keep it's nose out of other people business" but they are oblivious to what's going on in the world. Did any of you know that Saddam will take prisoners, hook them to 4 cars and quarter them..Alive? Prolly not. That's just one of a million things Bush thinks about before he goes to sleep at night. You think that when America is threatened by Iraq, that they are gunna nuke us and use bioterroism and sh!t like that, we should sit on our thumbs and let it happen? You must not know anything about America. We're gunna go kick some A$$ and take some names. You have to realize that had 9-11 not happened, we wouldn't be at war with Iraq. Had Saddam not LIED about having nuclear warheads, we would not be at war with Iraq. Terrorism does not only affect America, it affects the world. Like Barry said, if we didn't stand up and act as police in situations like this, who would? If Canada didn't have a governing body to police their actions do you think Canada would be what it is today? NO! Chaos and terror would take over if there was no punnishment for murder, theft, rape, battery, etc. America HAS to police the world or there wouldn't be any world left. We'd destroy ourselves. I think George Bush sr. did a great job in the Gulf War. The only thing he could have done to prevent this is to assasinate Saddam which was a war CRIME. Crime is what we're trying to prevent here. Now that they have made a malitious attack on our business, economy, and lives, something has to be done. And for you canadians to sit up there and expect us to sit here and take what he's throwing at us, you have to get your head on strait. If Iraq had flown air planes into Canada, and was threatening Canada with bioterrorism, your thoughts on the US would be completely different. We'd step in and provide protection for you. If we sat down here and was like "Fukk Canada, they don't want us to Police the world, so we're not gunna" Iraq would bomb your a$$es to the stone age. And you'd be pissed at us for not stepping in and protecting you. Kind of two faced if you ask me. You guys talk about Bush being such a dork, and a loser, and sh!t like that, but he's getting things done. He's not only protecting the US he's protecting the WORLD. And for the Americans bashing Bush. We have more elections comming, so I wanna see your names on the ballots. Get elected president, and show us what morons we were to elect Bush as our role model. Bush is doiung everything he can to protect innocent people from suffering, and all you can do is tell him what he's doing wrong. You disgust me.<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: VizualXTC ]</p>

By the way, we had satelite photo's of the nuclear weapons before the UN ever went in to search for them.

Well VizualXTC, if we do go to war I hope baby bush can finish his daddys war...Cause it does need to end now. Its been too long and over-drawn!

just blow em up and get it done with. its gonna happen sooner or later might as well speed up the process.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by quinn_seipp:
just blow em up and get it done with. its gonna happen sooner or later might as well speed up the process. :p

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Lets keep the religeon out of this, its a touchy subject. Political views are good, but if you post ignorant posts, I will delete them. Also by reopening this, everyone who posts must realize that not all of us are from the US or Canada, and those who disagree with Bush's may not be from one place or the other, so dont judge those by where they are from.
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anyone who can do waht saddam does doesnt deserve to live, let alone govern a group of people. Even the people whom he rule over dont like him, there just afraid. Yes im american and yes I do have a problem with us butting our heads in everyones business, but like it was said before who else will? if we just kept our mouths shuts then hundreds and thousands will die, do you want that floating around in your head before you sleep? I dont and nitehr does our president. I think he is doing an amazing job ( not just cause im from texas hehe ). Saddam is a survivalist, he wont go into exile he rather go out with a bang, and that is what I fear. His son was quoted as saying " if the US continues this 9-11 will look like a picnic" I couldnt believe what I was hearing. A direct threat on the US? if you respect life then why in gods name would you ever say anyhting like that. Thats what it boils down to. Some people respect life, and some people dont. If you dont, then you dont deserve life..its that simple...

I appologize about my previous post. I do get angry when ignorant people speak out against something they have very little knowledge about. They don't know what's going on over there, and they have no idea what's goin on over here. I think Bush is doing a great job dealing with what he is dealing with. Most of us would tuck tail and run, but he's the one putting his neck on the line here. When you ridicule Bush, and speak out against what he's saying, then you are telling us that those people deserved to die on 9-11. You're saying that those brave people in flight 93 should have let the plane continue to it's destination and cause even more devistation to our country. I don't believe in war. I don't believe in the killing of innocent people, But I DO believe in retribution. Saddam and Bin Laden deserve to die for what they have done to the people of the world. I think that Bush is correct in his fight against terrorism.<p>For all of you that have forgotten, please watch this again. America Attacked (6.54M) Please be patient for it to load.