N/A High Reving big BHP setup?

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » September 30th, 2007, 1:44 pm

umm i just said someone has made 250whp N/A... gerry sica! and leo 323 is gunna be dam close soon enuff! u just gotta have the know how to do it and it can be a quick beast! and theres a miata here locally with a ford five-o motor and its not actually impressive.. traps like 104ish mph

Whisper · Post by **Whisper** » September 30th, 2007, 4:47 pm

Your lack of punctuation made it sound like gerry sica was running a honda engine, and that thew me off. I got further confused when you said he runs 11 flat, which he doesn't.

But yeah, I remember his Probe now. Isn't that a PRM sponsored car? I think he runs 13s or upper 12s. I found the PT thread. Doesn't say what his times are, but 11.5 was for Victors boosted Probe, and he was close to 400 whp.

Oh, and I think leo323 was making 230 bhp, not whp.

So far Gerry is the only one to have made that kind of power, and he's pretty much all custom and revs to over a 10000 rpm and uses the RAM air effect to his advantage. That was a lot of work, a lot of time, and a lot of money, and at the end of the day boosted guys are still faster.

My point is: liking the sound of NA motor is not enough reason not to boost, if you want a fast MX-3 for cheap. If you want to dump a lot of money into NA, then there are better bang-for-the-buck options out there.

BTW, I don't know about your local Miata, but the V8s put down 300+ whp, and with some work can get up to 400 whp. The base setup will do upper 12s.

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » September 30th, 2007, 5:38 pm

gerry sica has run 11 FLAT yes at 122mph! ive seen it in person man at a diff cscs event.. and does 122mph but he is so inconsistent.. and yes the miata here has gone into a high 12 but his trap speed wasnt impressive at all just cuz v8 have power doesnt mean there fast.. take a five-o stang my cousin has it isnt fast at all.. even my n/a ZE could easily kill it.. yes for n/a power ZE isnt the best engine for it and boosting id the way to go for power

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » September 30th, 2007, 5:45 pm

and leo323 was WHP

http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701216756

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » September 30th, 2007, 5:48 pm

and straight from a forum where 5.0 miata posted his times

5.0L Miata, 13.9@102 mph, 1995 Mazda Miata

hes done better time wise but his trap never really improved much

102mph traps isnt that great hell ive even done 99mph in my 2.5litre lol

Juans_93_MX3 · Post by **Juans_93_MX3** » September 30th, 2007, 5:57 pm

I guess the lesson here is that trying to build a N/A high reving and big HP engine is going to be more expensive then a turbo and yeild less power.

IMO, if you dont want to go the forced induction route, get a V8.

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » September 30th, 2007, 6:10 pm

u dont gotta get a V8 for n/a power!!! all u need is even a nice 4 or 6 cylinder as ur base engine and u gotta know how to make all the power efficiently!!

a honda B18 or K20 are small 4 cylinders but with some money can easily be n/a beasts!!! a ZE can be a fast n/a car as well almost any cra can with time patiencew and money u just gotta decide whic to go with how to build it up that will be least expensive..

V8 is NOT the only solution to everything.. V8 ppl are just so closed minded and are often just the lazy asses who want power without having to know f--- all and wanna be cheap

i have SO much more respect for ppl who will attempt to build up there 4 cylinder or V6 PROPERLY than any V8 guy

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » September 30th, 2007, 6:24 pm

This thread has gone far since I last checked.

V8's can amke power easily. and there are so many bolt ons. the normal joe who knows jack s--- can go buy a mustang and throw a bunch of bolt on parts on it and make 500hp, and then think he is king of the street.Meanwhile We geta our small engines that rev high and have solid top ends and very light cars and just blow them away. The throtle resposnse of a N/A car is alot nicer than any boosted car. I also think its alot more fun to rip in n/a high reving monster rather than a boosted cars were the powerband falsl flat on its face before 6000rpm.

and jerry sica's car does to 11flat i ahev seen it in person as well. And btw its not sponsored by PRM. jerry himself is the owner os PRM Racing in Schomberg On

But remember this is what I say. Fieromx3 is the same way as well. But if you like v8's then do as you please. regardless what makes your car teh best is how you like it. its your own money so spend it the way you want.

Whisper · Post by **Whisper** » September 30th, 2007, 7:12 pm

fieromx3 wrote:gerry sica has run 11 FLAT yes at 122mph! ive seen it in person man at a diff cscs event.. and does 122mph but he is so inconsistent.. and yes the miata here has gone into a high 12 but his trap speed wasnt impressive at all just cuz v8 have power doesnt mean there fast.. take a five-o stang my cousin has it isnt fast at all.. even my n/a ZE could easily kill it.. yes for n/a power ZE isnt the best engine for it and boosting id the way to go for power

Ok, maybe Sica ran 11. I haven't seen it, but if you say you were there. That said, it's a team-built dragster, not really a weekend garage project car.

As far as V8s go, bigger engines produce more power and torque without much stress. Sure you can take a small V6 or I4 to ridiculous numbers, but it won't run at those numbers reliably for very long. At some point it's gonna blow. Plus it would still lack torque. V8 Miatas aren't done for quarter mile drags, they're done for road racing, where the engine has to last for more than 12 seconds at a time.

And you can't compare a Mustang with a Miata. Mustang is 3200 lbs, Miata, even with a V8 is still under 2500 lbs, so it'd be far quicker than most ZEs.

V8 is NOT the only solution to everything.. V8 ppl are just so closed minded and are often just the lazy asses who want power without having to know f--- all and wanna be cheap

i have SO much more respect for ppl who will attempt to build up there 4 cylinder or V6 PROPERLY than any V8 guy

You're joking, right?

fieromx3 · Post by **fieromx3** » September 30th, 2007, 7:38 pm

no im not jokin haha ive been to many v8 car shows all muscle and s--- and talked to alot fo the guys and mx3autozam can attest to it they dont know jack s--- they dont even know what a dam trap speed is!!!

or have u talked to alot of the guys urself? there answer is o im redneck joe here yall v8 is only way to go than these lil tin pop cans u see on the road with lil 4 bangers that dont go anywhere at all..

they have no faith in import or faith in the 4 or 6 cyls there close minded to there own stuff and yes im open minded to v8's but i like to fight my own word in as 4 and 6 have potential and deserve some respect

Whisper · Post by **Whisper** » September 30th, 2007, 8:17 pm

Dude, you just sound like a typical ricer boy. What does knowing what "trap speed" is have to do with engine and car knowledge and mechanical skill? Frankly, I didn't know what "trap speed" is until recently either, because I never cared about drag racing, and I still don't. I can bet you a lot of young ricer kids don't know what "trail braking" is, and probably wouldn't be able to heel-toe downshift to save their lives.

Yes, there are snooty, rich, lazy no-hair geezers with giant V8 muscle who don't know jack, but then also there are cheap, bratty, young high-schoolers with with POS fart-canned Civics.

The point you're missing is that generalizing like that is not realistic. It's not the engine's fault which demographic it's commonly attached to. It's just a simple matter of potential reliable power. Bigger engine = more potential. It's what you prefer and what you choose to go with. Last time at the track there was a guy with a custom Triumph TR4, that he's built and re-built, and the car was absolutely amazing. He's gone through a few engines, and finally put in a Corvette V8. Middle-aged guy, probably wouldn't know what "trap speed" is either. But there was nothing redneck about him. He's an engineer, and obviously a skilled one, and to say he doesn't know jack because he's got a V8 in there would be bigotry and ignorance.

Or what about the Formula V8 engines? Amazing engineering, but clearly those teams don't know anything and deserve no respect. Or what about V10 or V12 engines? Ferrari uses massive engines with a lot of cylinders. Obviously they're lazy.

Bottom line is, there are people out there who put as much effort, knowledge, and skill into their V8s and V10s as Sica did into his V6, with the only difference is that they end up making 2-3 times the power.

So don't hate on V8.

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » September 30th, 2007, 9:37 pm

Don't call fiero a Ricer and yes he knows what heel an toe downshifting is and what trail braking is. We are not dumb.

I persoanlly will say a car like an mx3 or most imports for taht matter are more setup for road racing rtaher than drag. but drag is also fun and is a way to tell if your car is fast. V8 guys are selfish and think low displacement cars are pieces of s--- and will never be quick at all. I think 14's is fairly decently quick. and thats not even considered fast now days.

Also something you need to think about Whisper

"Who needs torque when you have high revs"
and
"Trap speed shows how fast the car is. The time shows how good the driver is."

Whisper · Post by **Whisper** » September 30th, 2007, 10:13 pm

Man, did you even read what I wrote?

Juans_93_MX3 · Post by **Juans_93_MX3** » September 30th, 2007, 10:51 pm

mx3autozam wrote:Don't call fiero a Ricer and yes he knows what heel an toe downshifting is and what trail braking is. We are not dumb.

I persoanlly will say a car like an mx3 or most imports for taht matter are more setup for road racing rtaher than drag. but drag is also fun and is a way to tell if your car is fast. V8 guys are selfish and think low displacement cars are pieces of s--- and will never be quick at all. I think 14's is fairly decently quick. and thats not even considered fast now days.
Also something you need to think about Whisper

"Who needs torque when you have high revs"
and
"Trap speed shows how fast the car is. The time shows how good the driver is."

You cant judge V8s because some people who drive them think low of imports

Its like me saying, "every rich person is ignorant and dont know crap about their cars because they have mommy and daddy buy their mods or cars. Ether that or they have a shop do the work for them"

There are some people with V8s that dont know crap and are ignorant. TRUE. But the same applies for many more "import tuners" aswell.

And

"who needs torque when you got high revs"
FWD sure a-- hell dont I can tell you that.
Troque > High revs

mx3autozam · Post by **mx3autozam** » September 30th, 2007, 11:14 pm

^^^^
juan shut your mouth..what do you know about a High reving Big BHP setup.

don't quote me saying i am wrong. Everyone has there own opinions