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				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 19th, 2004, 11:48 am
				by cjthor
				Can you swap a DOHC TPS onto your SOHC throttle body?
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 19th, 2004, 5:01 pm
				by maldo
				You could swap it but the plugs are completely different.  Ours is a 3 wire TPS (if my memory serves me), yours is a 4 wire.  It has been done, essentially using the MAF voltage to signal the TPS.  It doesn't work that well though, the guy who did it later switched to using a MAP sensor to trigger the S-AFC and found it much more responsive.
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 19th, 2004, 7:25 pm
				by Marlon
				what if we use the auto tps(it's a 4 wire), could we just not connect to out stock ecu, just the safc and run it, the ecu will never go into wot (might get a cel)
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 19th, 2004, 8:44 pm
				by maldo
				If you figure out how to wire it up.  

 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 19th, 2004, 11:20 pm
				by Marlon
				you know where i could find out which wire dose what on the auto and 5speed tps
 i have auto tps(came with my engine) so i might try something
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 20th, 2004, 12:15 am
				by maldo
				I printed off the discussion of the non-variable to variable voltage TPS from the Miata.net forum plus the MAP sensor conversion for the S-AFC.  I will try to dig them up and see what it says (tomorrow though as I really need to do some school work).
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 20th, 2004, 4:38 am
				by BATTOSAI
				And why not to install an accesory TPS only for the S/afc?
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 20th, 2004, 7:23 am
				by Marlon
				Originally posted by BATTOSAI:
 And why not to install an accesory TPS only for the S/afc?
where? on a 2nd tb
 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 20th, 2004, 3:29 pm
				by BATTOSAI
				No man! on the same axle of the throttlebody! quite tricky to do but not impossible!
			 
			
					
				Re: S-AFC idea
				Posted: January 20th, 2004, 7:44 pm
				by maldo
				Ok, Here is what I have from a post on Miataforum.com dating back to 2001.  A user by the name turbo95EGT wired his S-AFC up with a 2 bar MAP sensor in order to control 460cc RX7 injectors.  Idle was set close to -50%, under boost he was at -25% running 13.5 psi and EGTs of 1525-1550F (which is dead on).  The MAP sensor he was using was from a 1988 Dodge Shadow turbo.  He tapped the 5v VREF line at the VAF sensor.  He did install the 4 wire TPS found on the auto Miata but found that he was experiencing harsh backfiring.  He switched to the MAP sensor, tapping into the VAF sensor which has a 4.5-5v closed to near 0v at open.  Just a comment to wiring the 4 wire to our cars, if it is like the 1.6l miata, the ecu is only programmed to see on/off readings and nothing in between so this will pose a problem.  His solution was to tap the 5v VREF for the VAF and ran that to the 4 wire TPS and a WOT micro switch.  This allowed him to have a variable signal for the S-AFC and a on/off for the ecu.
 
 That is a quick run down as the topic is 15 pages long.  If you want to read it for yourself, go here:  
"Why isn't anyone using the Apexi S-AFC?" If the link doesn't work, do a search on the site.