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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nvrsrndr:<BR><STRONG> I think that u might be biased cause u might have had problems tuning ur car and tuning that might be hard for u is easy for someone with more knowledge. [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Close...I am biased because Nobody in the last 5 years that I have been around the KL world has been able to do what you are claiming. Just because you can dream about it, doesn't mean you have more knowledge.<P> [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img]

nobody has fully tried Darin... [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img] <P>There are what? 3 guys with aftermarket injectors? Come on...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ProtegeSTS:<BR><STRONG>nobody has fully tried Darin... [img]shrug.gif"%20border="0[/img] <P>There are what? 3 guys with aftermarket injectors? Come on...</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>What??? Dude..really. You presume to have carnal knowledge of anyone who has tried to boost a KLZE? Even taking away boost, most KLZE owners never get the motor running 'right' WITHOUT adding power. Seriously. Why is that so hard for you?<P>Experience. Much more valuable than "Yeah, the rods SHOULD be able to withstand..." or "Yeah, you SHOULD be able to spray", etc. <P>Trust me on the suncreen here.

David seems to have a grip on it, and last time i checked, he was YOUR source for most tech questions

Sean Matthews is running a KLZE turbo MX-3. ran 6 pounds on pump gas for the last 2 years, and should be up with additional injectors and 8psi+ now.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigProbe:<BR><STRONG><P><BR>Close...I am biased because Nobody in the last 5 years that I have been around the KL world has been able to do what you are claiming. Just because you can dream about it, doesn't mean you have more knowledge.<P>

They are hard to tune...period. <P>the Utlimate MX3 is known, in other circles, as a MIATA <P>I'm pretty sure Mathews was a ZE-Hybrid...and we aren't just talking bewst, we are talking bewst plus N2O.

I'm far from being an expert, but as stated before, with a stand alone I think that a ZE can be tuned to handle that setup, but I'm not saying that it will be easy.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigProbe:<BR><STRONG> <P>the Utlimate MX3 is known, in other circles, as a MIATA </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>since when do miatas come v6? <BR>since when do mx-3's come rwd?<P>1 thing for sure is that the mx-3 looks a lot more like a 7 then a miata. <P>to be honest I feel that you have not given me any sufficiant data for your beliefs and therefore will not argue any longer.

tim ran a 12.95 on an 03 with n2o and other guys in the 12s you can assume that if they run so much well tuned n20 that eventually the head gasket blows that boost and n2o will reach the same limit where the internal pressures are just to much . <P>guys who run 10s are shop cars with large amount of time and money to spend on new blocks and other crap.<P>If you dont have any lag then why shoot n2o<P>build the motor and crank up the boost, you may get cooler air but what a risk . one vacuum line or fitting comes off and Kaboom

wow this is a fun discussion! all i have to say is good luck to all of those that want insane horsepower from a klze/de period, hope you have lots of money to replace the lsd g25 trannies you will be needing and crappyass driveshafts, tuning is always a key, and yes hondas are easy to tune

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigProbe:<BR><STRONG>They are hard to tune...period. <P>the Utlimate MX3 is known, in other circles, as a MIATA <P>I'm pretty sure Mathews was a ZE-Hybrid...and we aren't just talking bewst, we are talking bewst plus N2O. </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Matthews is a full ZE. Not a Millenia ZE with KL01 cams either, but a MX-6 ZE with KL31 cams and the IM that came with Fortier's Millenia ZE [they swapped back in the day].<P>I agree that SC + NOS is dumb, but mainly because SC's are dumb. Unless you like ineffeciency and have power to waste and like having a ridiculously peaky powerband and like rebuilding driveshafts and....

A sc would be easier to build though don't you think? look at Jeff's install vs Sean's!

blower hood and a single M90 Eaton right up on top <P>Centrifugal superchargers are the devil

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nvrsrndr:<BR><STRONG><P>since when do miatas come v6? <BR>since when do mx-3's come rwd?<P>1 thing for sure is that the mx-3 looks a lot more like a 7 then a miata. <P>to be honest I feel that you have not given me any sufficiant data for your beliefs and therefore will not argue any longer. </STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>the MX3 comment was said tongue in cheek (written?) What is your problem with that? I was suggesting, in a humorous way, that the Miata is a better car. I'm sorry you couldn't pick up on that...<P>And...<P>Sufficient data for what??? <P>Here's some data: There is a VERY GOOD CHANCE doing what you are suggesting will cost you a LOT OF MONEY...and won't work. What more do you need? Are you arrogant enough to assume that you are somehow more automotive gifted than everyone else? Here's more data...<P>It's a pain in the a-- to get a ZE running "right" (200 actual hp) BEFORE you try to add boost. So eventually you add boost. And you use a stand alone. Ever removed an OEM computer and wired a stand alone? Do you know anyone who as done it with a KL series motor? <BR>As I've maintained, it's VERY difficult. So after 6 months of messing with it, you are able to run 5 pounds of boost thru the motor, before heat issues creep up. But never mind that, you still have your NAWS to cool things down. <P>:-/ <P>Your project is futile, unless you just happen to have $10,000 + to blow on the project. Even then, it'll pretty quickly reach the point of frustration. <P>Argue that.